I Believe the Rapture but...

That's not absurd.

All Christians don't die. The remnant remain.

Rapture is for Christians. Every faithful person who has lived has been raptured.

Make fun if you want. 😒

Why would Paul be writing to the greek thessalonians and telling them "WE" and then talking about Israelites? Unless its some spiritual israel thing.

Im sorry, but your OP is incredibly confusing. Maybe I misinterpreted it. Could you say it another way?

I don't know if I agree with you are not. Could you possibly post the relevant scriptures and then give your interpretation for each one? Contrast your interpretation with what is popularly believed about each passage.

We definitely need another Rapture thread.

Daniel David, Abraham, Sarah, they are Israel, but currently dead. Where are they in your scenario?

I see now that your position is that, If I die today, I will be raptured. So then, when will I be resurrected? or do you see that as the same thing?

Ok

It is usually faithFUL christians who are persecuted.

I believe the church will be all but wiped out in the coming persecution [tribulation] so yes martyred, those who are alive and remain [survive] will be caught up together with them.

Then Jesus reigns on earth

.... through the Jews who although converted [when they shall look upon Him whom they have pierced] they will not be raptured.

... they are church

Ok, I see, I think, so only unfaithful Israel will be "left" at the resurrection/rapture event? And it is not the latter that reign 1000 years in the millennial, but it is the former that reign from heaven?

I'm glad you're reading the scriptures; I'd do more studying though to make sure what you're being "shown" is correct. You can think you're being shown absolute truth and still be deluded.

They are to be converted

The purpose of the Rapture is to protect the church from the wrath of God, the Jews are gathered and will be wholly gathered to Israel for the very same purpose. God's wrath is to be poured upon the nations that come up against Jerusalem with Antichrist..

I see this view as problematic if the saints, this time already having been gathered together, return once again with Christ to end the millennium? I see them, the saints being gathered once those resurrected along with those that remain, and forever remaining in that resurrected changed state which consequently renders them impervious to boils and fire and sword so they would not have to be "protected' by being 'taken out of the way.' In fact, it is at that very moment that they have conquered death through Christ and can never die again, not even the second death has power over them.

not sure where you are ... no boils, fire or sword after [or during ] th Millennium

The wrath of God? That which we allegedly need protected from.

op: I believe in the rapture, but...

There are Many Scriptures, Which, if Rightly Divided, solve the Confusion:

Pre-Trib Great GRACE Departure I
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Pre-Trib Great GRACE Departure II

Precious friend(s):

Grace, Peace, And JOY In Christ, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).
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RICH Blessings

You are being watered at the wrong trough...

The purpose of the rapture is so that the Bridegroom and Bride should begin their 7 year honeymoon at the Fathers house (located in heaven!) and consummate the marriage betrothal so given (and received) at the Last Supper.

Jhn 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Jhn 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

1Th 5:9
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

2Th 1:7
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,

Rev 3:10
Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.

Here we are in heaven. In chapter 4 and 5 of Revelation. Before any of the judgment seals are ever opened.

Rev 4:10
The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
Rev 5:8
And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
Rev 5:9
And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

I was just saying biblically it’s not referenced as the resurrection ….just as a distinction but …. It’s not a big deal at all…. The Latin word rapture is familiar to most everybody and that is perfectly fine for setting the distinction…. God calls the rapture by a few names like → the gathering together… at his coming …. gathering of the saints ….. the day of redemption … the day of Jesus Christ … the departure … received up to glory … and a few more. But using the word rapture ….most people understand that. So I wasn't being critical ...but there has to be a distinction between the resurrection (Lords day) in language or it becomes confusing.



As for the Jews…. they will come first …..but currently, in this administration (biblically) there are no Jews. (Gal 3:28) ……. You are either born again or you are not.

I know there are Jews “by religion”, but in or during this time period, in the church of God, the administration of grace (the period between Pentecost and the rapture) You are either a born again member of the body of Christ or you are not ….. and the rapture of the Church of God ONLY affects the born again. After the rapture there will then be a distinction between Jews and Gentiles …but for now we are all on equal footing as born again members of the body of Christ.

The church of the Bride referred to from the gospels…. was not assimilated into the church of the body. Any Jew’s who are or were born again under the new covenant are now (and will always be) part of the body of Christ. The church of the bride was and is held in abeyance and will pick up again in Revelation where God does fulfill His promise to Israel.

The short answer to the bride being held in abeyance and all prophecy from Jesus and the Old Testament regarding end times was also paused… was due to the Truth that this period of the mystery of the one body (the administration of grace) was a secret (mystery) that God had kept hidden….. and was not enacted until Pentecost and fully revealed until Paul received it by revelation Rom 16:25&26, Eph 3:1-6, Col 1:25&26. The grace of God has always existed but the administration of grace (in essence) did not exist prior to Pentecost except in the mind of God. The prophets of old could see the sufferings of Jesus and the glory that would come from Old Testament scriptures, but they could not see this mystery that God had kept secret; it was sandwiched in-between the sufferings and the glory … no one knew not even the angels 1Pe 1:10-12 ………………..Gods reason for keeping it hidden → 1Co 2:7&8.

Tribulation is not God's wrath. Tribulation is persecution from the world. "in the world you will have tribulation"