5 Points of Arminianism

Yes. I want to see how many others believe they were “persuaded” by their intellect, to “decide” to Spiritually birth themselves.

Lol. You definitely misjudged me. The essence of my request was with a pure heart, and arguing with you wasn’t even a thought. I do argue with fascists but I don’t get that vibe from you. I was simply asking for clarity, but don’t worry, that train left the station. Relax, I’m actually one of the good guys here.

You know it is not very nice to twist or be disingenuous about my words if you are loosely quoting me in this statement.

I have never ever stated a person birth`s themselves.

I never stated that being persuaded was only based only on intellect.

I never stated it was an active decision, quite the opposite, there is a difference between passive and active.

I guess nuance is a challenge.

Not impressed.

People do not decide to "spiritually birth themselves." People decide to believe the gospel, and when they do, God "births" them, giving them the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

It does not say "unable to respond to spiritual things, until God quickens him to the new spiritual life."

I mean it was you that said you believe because you were persuaded. Those are your words.

I heard the Gospel and believed. I wasn’t “persuaded”. Later on, after believing, the Biblical evidence presented itself, and I understood what I had believed better. But the belief came first.

The world tells us “show me and I’ll believe” God works the opposite. He says, believe and you will see.

I suspect if you search yourself, it is the same for you.

People do not become born again until they hear and decide to believe the gospel (Eph 1:13).

Dead in sins = dead to things of the Spirit.

God made it so whenever a person looks at His Creation they can see and understand God did this.

Now, that is only a first step in believing that God is real.

But it's not until they hear the Gospel of Christ, the Kingdom of God, the Good News they understand that they need a Savior.

One would think even someone like yourself could understand such a basic process.

And he has the super hero costume to prove it. Look...up in the sky...is it a bird...is it a plane? No...it's SuperSnacks.

Do what you gotta do to hold to your Calvinism, Forest.

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When I first became a Christian , back in the early 90s, I worked at a real estate company with a woman I was excited to share the Gospel with.

She listened intently, and then said “what do I need a Savior for? I am a good person, so God will judge me on that”.

She was utterly blinded to her need for Jesus. It didn’t matter how much I tried to tell her, or persuade her, that we were all sinners, in need of a Savior.

Ow it is true that since then she may have come to believe. But yrs later she still hadn’t.

Why didn’t she believe upon hearing the SAME Gospel you and I heard?

If you look at even the Apostles, they didn’t understand the Gospel, at least the death, burial, and resurrection, part of the Gospel, UNTIL GOD opened their eyes.

Jesus told them flat out several times that He would suffer, die and raise again on the 3rd day. It wasn’t really that they didn’t believe, it was that they didn’t understand it.

You know who DID understand it?
The Scribes and Pharisees.

They didn’t believe, but they certainly understood, even though Jesus was much more cryptic with them than the Apostles, about Him claiming to raise again to life.

So much so that they petitioned and got a Roman gaurd to watch the tomb in case the disciples tried to make Jesus’ claims come true.

God had to open the Apostles eyes. They couldn’t by themselves.

Do you know for a fact that she first believed God is real?

She has to have that understanding before she knows she needs God for Salvation.

Lol. You definitely misjudged me. The essence of my request was with a pure heart, and arguing with you wasn’t even a thought. I do argue with fascists but I don’t get that vibe from you. I was simply asking for clarity, but don’t worry, that train left the station. Relax, I’m actually one of the good guys here.

If people decide, Then why doesn’t everyone believe? Many hear the Gospel, and reject it.

Are WE smarter, better, more moral?

Dead in sins = dead to things of the Spirit.

Dead means no life spiritually.