Oh so they're Jehovahs Witness!
A couple times a month, JW’s come to visit the industrial estate where I work. They’re always welcoming and we always have a healthy debate, but everytime I ask the question why they don’t believe Jesus is God they stop talking and direct me to their website.
I can’t understand how someone who reads the same scriptures that we do, does not believe that Jesus is Lord? Or are they reading different scripture? As they’re trying to convert me, I offer counterpoints to make them think about what they believe. I’m not bashing JW’s. I just can’t fathom how you can read the same book, but come to a different conclusion of who/what God is. Thoughts?
No, Jesus is has always, and will always be the WORD!Trinity doesn't save or condemn anybody. Jesus is never called "God the son". I believe Jesus is divine but NOT God! Anyone who believes in Jesus' virgin birth life, miracles, crucifixion, burial, resurrection, and ascension - is a Christian!
It's impossible for Jesus to be God or better yet - equal to God the Father. Bible says God is ONE - NOT 3 in1. Bible says God cannot be a man. Jesus said he's NOT equal to the father. I believe Jesus and the bible. Who do you believe?
If you do happen to ask me any questions, just assume they need to be simple.Can I ask you a very simple question?
In 2 Peter 1:1, the author writes to a body of believers as "those who have received a faith of the same kind as ours," and then goes on to immediately refer to Jesus as "our God and Savior." Included in the "faith" received that 2 Peter 1:1 refers to is the notion that Jesus is "our God and Savior." Therefore, should anyone not believe Jesus is both God and Savior, then your faith is not the same faith as 2 Peter, and his letter is not intended for you. And if you are not apart of the community of which 2 Peter was directed to, then there is only one other group that 2 Peter speaks of -- there's "us," and there's "them" -- the "us" (the body of believers to whom 2 Peter was written) and the "them" (the reprobate). This sort of "us" vs. "them" contrast is weaved throughout the epistle: you are one or the other. And since you don't refer to Jesus as "our God and Savior," that pretty much narrows it down, does it not?
Feel free to curse until your face turns blue; it doesn't bother (nor will it deter) me in any way.
They would confess Jesus as Lord, but not as God.
As far as salvation goes in scripture, the case that if someone doesn't believe in the deity of Christ prevents him from believing the Gospel and mean he's going to Hell seems a bit thin. Why didn't the apostles hammer on this point in their evangelistic preaching or why doesn't Paul mention it in summaries of the Gospel, like in I Corinthians 14.
Also, some of the 'Arian' groups in history accepted the deity of the Son, but were not convinced of the personhood of the Spirit. I read the confession Wulfius adhered to. I heard the Vandals and I think it was Visigoths were Arians, but I wonder if these eastern Germanic tribes adhered to the same creed as Wulfius who had won eastern Germanic tribes.
Those who confess the Athanasian creed, which we might call the pseudo-Athanasian creed, and isn't really an ecumenical creed, deny salvation to Arians.
I also wonder, a bit whimsically, whether JWs are so against Santa Claus because of the slap-- you know, St. Nicholas giving Arius a Nice slap.
Anyway, the Watchtower also denies the bodily resurrection of Christ which is a big issue related to salvation.
Right. always follow the K.I.S.S. principle.If you do happen to ask me any questions, just assume they need to be simple.
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Monolatrism is distinguished from monotheism (asserts the existence of only
one god) and distinguished from henotheism (a religious system in which the
believer worships one god alone without denying that others may worship
different gods of equal value)
While classical Christianity recognizes but two categories of gods-- the true
and the false, viz: the authentic and the imitation, the intrinsic and the
artificial --the Watchtower Society's theologians took the liberty to create a
third sandwiched between the true and the false called "mighty ones". The
mighty-one category is a sort of neutral zone where qualifying personages
exist as bona fide deities without violating the very first of the Ten
Commandments. For example:
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They have their own translation that slants ours to deny the plain truth that the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all one God in three Persons, a clear teaching of the Bible, especially the Gospel of John.A couple times a month, JW’s come to visit the industrial estate where I work. They’re always welcoming and we always have a healthy debate, but everytime I ask the question why they don’t believe Jesus is God they stop talking and direct me to their website.
I can’t understand how someone who reads the same scriptures that we do, does not believe that Jesus is Lord? Or are they reading different scripture? As they’re trying to convert me, I offer counterpoints to make them think about what they believe. I’m not bashing JW’s. I just can’t fathom how you can read the same book, but come to a different conclusion of who/what God is. Thoughts?
I noticed that word 'a' in that verse many years ago. Had a JW friend, loaned me a NWT to check it out. That was the first verse that I came to and then I just closed the book. I ended up buying this friend a NKJV bible for Christmas. Hope it did some good.