Any Post or Non-Tribbers in Here?

Being raised up in the midst of the Southern Baptist, I heard plenty about a pre trib rapture, but never heard scripture for it. Those prophecy teachers would come around with all sorts of charts and pictures of scary monsters, but still I did not connect any dots.

I find it unfortunate that many who've been "taught pre-trib" have actually been taught a very lame/flawed/incorrect version of it (as I've been discussing this Subject with ppl for some 45 years or thereabouts), that it is no wonder many haven't been able to grasp it or see it in Scripture... I don't blame them. lol

"And NOW you know what withholds ( The Lord's coming for us ) the revealing of the man of sin...

There is no "Rapture" being spoken of (even in "description-form") in Jesus' Olivet Discourse.

??? Where did I write about that? I think you've got me mixed up with someone else.

Just read the Bible simply as it is and you'll see that it is a post-trib rapture.

Over-studying? How could that be a liability in properly and accurately rendering the whole council of God?
Most people suffer quite the antipodal condition.....

You're over-studying in such a way that you're changing meanings or adding to them. Just read the Bible simply as it is and you'll see that it is a post-trib rapture. You don't even need extra books for that!

Perhaps (you do come across similarly to "FG2" earlier in this thread, LOL) .

In this thread, I've covered the fact that 2Th2 is not saying such, nor is Matt24:29-31/Isa27:12-13[,9] speaking of "our Rapture" (and much more passages even earlier in this thread)... so, I'm wondering where [in what text] are you ascertaining "a post-trib rapture"? 1Cor15:23 isn't saying what many suppose it's saying (i.e. ONE resurrection, POST-trib; but rather "each IN THE OWN ORDER/RANK"), so that's another...

TIf you can't be honest and truthful, I won't listen to you.

No they do not. The text states "THE DEPARTURE". Period. No more, no less.
Which the early translators judicially and property interpreted to say that and nothing more.

TDW: so, I'm wondering where [in what text] are you ascertaining "a post-trib rapture"?

That's really where you're problem is.

I think that's Satan's tactic. Get people as confused as possible and they'll just accept whatever false teaching he's pushing like the pre-trib rapture.

@2ndTimeIsTheCharm 's Post #967... I still am not seeing any response to the question I posed to you, in my quote you grabbed (in that post of yours), where I'd asked you:

According the scriptures, you'll be waiting until AFTER the great tribulation ends.

If you don't believe this [...]

nullifying the idea of "looking for signs of the man of sin, son of Perdition,"

BUT you have Paul and without excuse

Simply put, there are some things that must happen 1st before The Lord raptures and glorifies His bride [...]

I do a lot of pondering about end times and what it’ll look like for the believer. No one in my church wants to talk about it, so I thought I’d bring it here.

I have heard a few theologians proclaim that a pre-trib rapture is false doctrine, and a “lie from the pit of hell”.

I’m a pre-tribber married to a post tribber, and frankly, his arguments for a post tribulational rapture don’t hold water as far as I’m concerned. Perhaps a post-tribber from this forum can make me understand.

I have an open mind. Mostly because I fully expected the rapture to happen last year. The numbers just made sense. 2021 was 73 years since Israel became a nation, leaving 7 years for the tribulation culminating in the 80-year-old-generation mentioned in Psalms.

Regardless, God is angry, and He’s about to punish the entire planet, and I’m persuaded that ours is the generation that will see these things come to pass. With a possible (probable?) WWIII scenario, and end time prophecies jumping off the pages of the Bible, I am fascinated, excited, and a little nervous. I would love to read the thoughts of any post-tribbers on what you think it will look like for believers to go through the tribulation (specifically, the 7 trumpets, seals and bowls of The Revelation.)

Do post-tribbers believe that as God’s elect, we are subject to the same wrath as everyone else? For instance, at some point the earth will be bombarded with 75 lb hailstones (Rev 16:21). Are we subject to God’s wrath in that we will be crushed along with everyone else? Or will they not effect us? When those crazy looking locusts are tormenting the population, are we to be supernaturally protected from them?

If you’re a post-tribber (or even a non-tribber) convince me that I’m wrong. I wouldn’t want to believe God for something that’s never going to happen based on misinterpreted scripture.

Anybody?

We will soon find out if we are going to go through the Great tribulation.

Instead of getting upset with one another, let's live like we could be raptured any minute and will be going through the Great Tribulation as well.

We will soon find out if we are going to go through the Great tribulation.

Instead of getting upset with one another, let's live like we could be raptured any minute and will be going through the Great Tribulation as well.

In your wording here ^ , you've completely skipped over / by-passed verse 2, which is Paul telling about "the false claim" he doesn't want the Thessalonians to be "shaken in mind" and "troubled" by as though it were true;

and that "false claim" is: [anyone] "[purporting] that the Day of the Lord IS PRESENT / IS ALREADY HERE [PERFECT indicative]". (It wasn't, and Paul explains WHY it cannot be so.)

That's the Subject v.3a starts out with, where it says "that day" (i.e. v.2's false claim's Subject, NOT v.1's Subject PAUL is bringing TO CORRECT the "false claim" of v.2).



Many people, when viewing the word "that day" (v.3a), reach back OVER AND PAST Verse 2's FALSE CLAIM ("that the day of the Lord is present"), ignoring that, to grab VERSE 1's Subject (about Jesus, and "our episynagoes unto Him," etc)... as you've done here by leaving verse 2 out entirely from your "example sentence" (i.e. "it would say THIS, which makes NO SENSE")...
Of course what you've put makes no sense[!]... but what you've put also (hate to say it) butchers the text, and is not at all reflective of the actual wording supplied in the text. You're leaving OUT a very vital piece of the text (verse 2!), as you have it written, above.





[another major assumption (tho incorrect) is that "the day of the Lord" (v.2--the Subject of the "false claim") here MEANS "Christ's Second Coming"... but Paul's words in 1Thess5:1-3 PROVE that "the day of the Lord" its ARRIVAL commences WELL-PRIOR to that point (tho it also goes on to INCLUDE the entire MK age, but the "false claim" of 2Th2:2 is speaking of the earliest parts of it [the parts consisting of JUDGMENTs unfolding upon the earth over SOME TIME], not the latter parts of it [the "BLESSINGs"/MK part]...)]

"the DOTL" does not COMMENCE at Christ's Second Coming to the earth time-slot, Rev19, as many suppose; but WELL-PRIOR TO that point in the chronology

Pre trib rapture theory was started by John Darby from England in the 19th century. It has no scriptural attestation, only loosely drawn conclusions. It has no spiritual value.