Christ kept the Law of Moses, so....

Its all straining gnats and counting mint and rue as far as I can tell.

But no worries.....we are the Kings kids.

Rom 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.
Rom 8:15
For you did not receive the spirit of bondage again to fear, but you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, “Abba, Father.”
Rom 8:16
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,

More than only 2!

Luke 24:27 + 31

I think we can find His second coming in the OT, all over it.

Doesn't Zechariah say they will look on Him they pierced, and mourn? Recognizing at last the One they did not know when He came to them in humility?

How can this be unless He comes first to give Himself as a lamb, and a second time to establish His dominion as a lion?

Well yeah brother technically lol I’m talking about Israel’s covenants with the law and the new with the gospel

what I’m talking about is the old covenant made at Sinai through Moses regarding Israel’s covenant law

and the promised (in the law and prophets ) new covenant made by Jesus regarding the everlasting gospel

what I’m saying is if you read this do you agree ? That Gods covenant at Sinai was broken and that he promised to make a new covenant not according to the old ?

“Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭31:31-32‬ ‭KJV‬‬


Can you agree with that ? That the covenant made from Sinai with the feathers of Israel through Moses was broken ?

and that he promised to make a new covenant that’s not according to the one they broke but one that would forgive thier sin ?

Of we can agree to that one single point everything else will fall into place

The covenant Moses made from Sinai based on the law ? Angels ordination , Moses the mediators intercession and judgements , “ten thou shalt nots” Sox hundred rules coordinating with those Ten Commandments telling us what we better not donor we must die ?

or the covenant Jesus made based upon Jesus ? Offering better things than Moses ever did , offering eternal
Life , forgivness , repentance , righteousness of faith the kingdom of God life beyond death ect

which covenant do we belong to as Christian’s ?

“Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬


many did mourn for Jesus who they pierced it’s in the gospel brother

“And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: ( done )

and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”
‭‭Zechariah‬ ‭12:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his disciples did mourn for Jesus as he was tortured and crucified

have you ever noticed this brother

Daniel sees Jesus going up into heaven in the clouds being annointed king

“I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.”
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭7:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Daniel saw Jesus receiving the kingdom in heaven after he died he went into heaven in the clouds and many watched

about in the New Testament the projective angle is that everyone will see Jesus returning from heaven with salvation

Each testament is fulfilled by the messiah arrival once was to bear sin and give thy e New Testament word and spread it into all the world , the other is going to be what e New Testament deacribes about the sky falling and fire and hail and ending and angels fethering his people up on the air ect

what im saying isn’t that you may find a reference to the end of the world in the ot or anything what I’m saying is Jesus explained what he had said to them about the law and prophets needing to be fulfilled before even one sentance of Moses law could be fuflilled and removed from the believers

The Old Testament is about what happened in the New Testament and the end of israel because they killed Jesus , and then the elements of prophecy in the new are about the end of the world and his return

“so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many;( that was the ot promise the messiah would come )

and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”( that’s the New Testament promise )
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭9:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

yeah the Lion of Judah is the reference it’s established In genesis 49 and the lamb is the reference tonehat Abraham said to Isaac in genesis 22

Revelation os written based on what the rest of the Bible has already said

“And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭22:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“and looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!”
‭‭John‬ ‭1:36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a once to beer sin when he came in the flesh to fulfill the law and prophets promised

and then

“Judah is a lion's whelp: From the prey, my son, thou art gone up: He stooped down, he couched as a lion, And as an old lion; who shall rouse him up?

The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, Nor a lawgiver from between his feet, Until Shiloh come; And unto him shall the gathering of the people be.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭49:9-10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Big beloved brother , consider what Peter and Paul are saying about the ot prophets , and tbier own message

“Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: that the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ:

whom having not seen, ye love; in whom, though now ye see him not, yet believing, ye rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory: receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. ( directly to you and I and many others here and all over the world who have only heard about Jesus and what he’s done and yet we believe it )

(here’s what I wanted to show you in correlating the old and new )

Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. ( the new testement is that coming to pass we are two thousand years after it happened it’s all fulfilled even Jerusalem eas destroyed in ad67 like the ot and jesus both said would happen when they rejected him he’s already on the throne of heavens kingdom and we’re waiting for him to return from heaven )

Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; ( the apostles and preachers revelators who wrote the New Testament )

which things the angels desire to look into.

‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1:6-KJV‬‬

Do you see how the Old Testament is a record of Israel’s covenant and what happened from creation ? and also along side of that record is prophecy foretelling the New Testament ?

then the New Testament , fulfills the Old Testament prophecy ( not the things that can’t be fulfilled but what God said would happen later )

Like this Ot prophecy

“Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭7:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God is telling us what’s going to happen later

“Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭42:9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Then the New Testament fulfillment of what god said by the prophet would happen later

“And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, And they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

what jesus was saying is all of those things about himself the lord and messiah God with us , had to be fulfilled even his death in a cross litters prophecy try psalm 22 or Isaiah 53 and his resurrection , his being received into heaven all that’s specifically about Jesus himself in the ot him coming in the flesh has been fulfilled , there’s a lot of things happening but it’s all the judgements in prophecy taking thier course on earth all
Of what God said has to occur but the things about Jesus and salvstion are here in the gospel now

alive in Christ I hope this makes some sense haha I don’t know

He hasn't yet done all He is prophesied to do -- presently He does not fail and is not discouraged; He upholds us, preparing a place
He will come again, in judgement, and to bring us to be with Him
when He told those on the road to Emmaus, ought not all these things be fulfilled, that He should suffer, and come into His glory?
those were the things that had happened, which they were perplexed over. but those were not all things

what is complete?
what is yet to be completed?
aren't all things in the OT written for us to know Him?
all these things, they will not fail to come to pass

When Matthew 5:18 took place Christ had not yet fulfilled His duty as priest and the temple still stood.

Do you see the problem with what you said?

What jots and tittles is Jesus speaking of in Matthew 5:18?

You're saying jots and tittles are constantly being removed ((and added!)) making His words there practically meaningless - having no solid definition whatsoever.


The solution is Romans 7:1-6
And when Paul writes 'the Law' there he clearly means the whole Law, all of Moses. There is simply no other definition of 'the Law' in scripture except all of it.

Being under the law means “under obligation to obey” the law of Moses.


Therefore being “under grace” means “under obligation to obey” grace.


Grace is both Someone and something.

Grace is the Spirit; the Spirit of grace.


Anyone who has rejected Moses’ law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace?
Hebrews 10:28-29





JLB

Yes, it’s a debt that I don’t have the ability to pay.


Please answer my question.


Do you understand that the law of Moses was an extension to the Covenant, that was added temporarily until the Messiah should come?

The law was added until the Seed should come.


The New Covenant is the “Renewed” Covenant.


The original Covenant was between the Lord Jesus and Abraham.

• the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ

And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, cannot annul the covenant that was confirmed before by God in Christ, that it should make the promise of no effect. For if the inheritance is of the law, it is no longer of promise; but God gave it to Abraham by promise.
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. Galatians 3:17-19

• What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come

JPT

Then you have answered your own question.

You can;t pay the debt, the law was supposed to show you this fact. that was its purpose

Your wrong.

the seed came 2000 years ago.

so why are we even discussing the law?

And sin is still the transgression of the law...

This is not to bait you, but what do you say about the scriptures that say that we are not under the Law but, under grace?

Respectfully, only in your mind Posthuman.

Have the saints in Daniel 7 been given the kingdom from the beast? No.

Has the Messiah returned to rule from Jerusalem and does he require the nations to come to Jerusalem every Feast of Tabernacles in Zechariah 14? No.

Do the people of God still need to be taught about Him in classes/seminary/bible schools or do all of His people know Him without requiring teaching as promised in Jeremiah 31:24? Is His laws in the hearts? No.

These are just a few of the things still outstanding.

Ex 19 - God promised to make Israel a nation of priests if they obeyed. The people agreed to the covenant that they would obey the voice of God.

Ex 20 - 3 days later, the covenant was ratified in blood and the voice spoke the commandments, but people couldn't bear to hear the voice.

Ex 20-23 - So the judgments are spoken to Moses.

Ex 24:1-3 - Moses tells all the judgments to the people and they agree to obey.

Ex 24:7 - Moses reads "all the words in the book of the covenant" and again the people agreed to obey. All the words of the covenant are the commandments and judgments. No sacrificing was mentioned. Look it up. Blood is sprinkled on the people. Ratified.

Ex 24:12-13 - Moses is told to come to get the tablets of stone and the law to teach the people.

Ex 25-31 - Instructions for the tabernacle, a priesthood, and purifying the altar/blood, as well as the tablets are given to Moses so that God can dwell among the people.

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Note: At this point, the book was completed, the law was completed, and the tablets were completed. No offering for sin & iniquity was ever mentioned. No works to remedy sin & iniquity were mentioned.

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Ex 32 - The Golden Calf. The people broke the covenant 40 days into it. God says He will destroy them all but Moses mediates on their behalf. God cooled down, however, Moses himself went and judged the people and broke the tablets. The Tribe of Levi, Moses' tribe, kills many sinners. Moses goes back to God to atone and ask for forgiveness, but God says He will "blot out" anyone who sinned against Him. A plague falls on the people killing many. Again, no sacrifice for sin instructed yet. No remedy for sin to rehearse...but they're coming.

Ex 33-34 - God tells the people where to go but tells them He's not going to be among them because He could end them based on how He feels. The people mourn. Mose writes two new sets of tablets.

Ex 34:9-32 - God descends AGAIN and says that He makes a covenant with Israel through Moses; pronouncing the commandments AGAIN and then commands Moses to write all that He speaks. Remember, He already did this, so this was "a NEW covenant" being struck. This took ANOTHER 40 days. Moses then went down and commanded the people all he was told. Only this time...

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Note: After their trespass, only Levites became priests because they sided with Moses and killed trespassers. The 1st time around only the judgments were given (i.e. "shall nots"). The 2nd time around, Moses was told to write all God speaks and we are then given the book of "Leviticus". Meanwhile, in Numbers, the Levites were chosen as God's personal possession since they sided with Moses at the golden calf.

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So, before Israel trespassed, just the Commandments and Judgments were given to be obeyed. This was the whole law, with the promise of ALL of Israel to become a nation of priests (yes, the Melchizedek priesthood was promised at Mt. Sinai).

After Israel trespassed, "Leviticus" was added. This was added to the whole law they needed to obey, and the Levitical priesthood was established to administer these additions.

Gal 3:19 [brackets mine]
Why then was the law given? It was added because of transgressions, until the arrival of the seed to whom the promise referred. It was administered through angels by a mediator [Moses]


After Christ redeemed Israel, "Leviticus" as it was given was no longer necessary and it went back to the original setup of the law where ALL of Israel could become priests again (Melchizedek).


Ex 19:6
And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.


1 Peter 1:1-2:9
Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, To the elect who are exiles of the Dispersion throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, chosen...

2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, to proclaim the virtues of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

Messiah was indeed a priest as soon as He was anointed by John and received the Holy Spirit. The Pharisees didn't recognize Him as one. He was operating as a priest for His entire ministry after baptism: forgiving sin, working/healing on the Sabbath, interpreting the law, speaking for God, receiving and giving gifts...and eventually, making sacrifice (i.e. His body).

John 2:19-21
Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up

Matthew 12:6
But I tell you that something greater than the temple is here.


No...I didn't. Please don't be disingenuous and please don't strawman. This is what *I* said.
Let's perform an exercise...

You as Israel agree to obey all God tells you to do.

On Monday, He tells you to walk east.
On Tuesday through Thursday, you get no other word from Him but "keep walking".
On Friday, He tells you to walk west.

What will you do? His word is Law. He told you to do everything He tells you to do, but in the past, He told you to walk east. Today, He tells you to walk west. Would you argue with Him claiming His original directions are then meaningless? Is it not still true that you must obey EVERYTHING God tells you to do?

If He later tells Israel they no longer need to perform Leviticus but still must obey the commandments, they still must do everything He says.

Matt 5:17-19 [Brackets mine]
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. [destroy =/= fulfill]

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


This is literally instructions to obey the commandments and teach others to do so.

If there is no law then there is no sin.

Paul says in verse 1 that he is speaking to those who understood the law. He said this purposefully because otherwise, it implies that whoever doesn't understand Moses won't understand the next point he makes. He's referring to the law of marriage in Romans 7. Only death frees a person to REMARRY their former spouse per the law. It is NOT the law that dies by faith, it is the believer.

The very fact that the law IS STILL IN FORCE is the reason why YOU/I must die by faith...and die daily.

If the law was no longer in force after the Cross we would not need to die by faith daily.

Well, this completely tosses out the process of sanctification.

1 John 5:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

Sure. It means "under the penalty of the law" (i.e. condemnation...death). It's like saying "the full weight of the law bears down on you."


Romans 5:13 [brackets mine]
(For [before] the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.


in fairness, no one can be accused of a crime if they weren't presented with the law to show their action is a crime. Unfortunately, as soon as we are told what NOT to do our flesh says "Meh, I want to do it that much more...I'm going to do it!", because of Adam.


Romans 7:7-8
7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

8 But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence.


Sin did this. Not the law. This is why Paul said this earlier...


Romans 5:12
Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, for that all have sinned.


- Adam => sin...

- Sin => death (i.e. the penalty of the law; being "under the law")...

- death => sin (i.e. because we die we are compelled to sin; Adam's judged flesh is corrupt)

- Sin => death (i.e. the penalty of the law; being "under the law")...

- death => sin (i.e. because we die we are compelled to sin; Adam's judged flesh is corrupt)


Romans 5:20
Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound.


The law says no....our corrupt flesh says "then yes" and we sin...the law then requires our death. Over and over, "the law of sin and death; sin and death" as long as we live this cycle will repeat. So we must die. But death my faith doesn't mean we do not obey the law and continue to sin. If fact it means the complete opposite:


Romans 6:1-2
What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?


We die to sin, satisfying the penalty with "our death with Christ".


Romans 6:3-4
3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


We walk in a new life by faith, not continue to walk in our old one that still sins. Christ didn't die for us so that we continue to live OUR lives. We died WITH Him and resurrect WITH Him in HIS new life. His life was lived in obedience, and His same power is ours to tap into.


Romans 6:5-7
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.


Sin = to break the law of God

We are free from the compunction to break the law of God


Romans 6:8-11
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.


Sin - the breaking of God's Law - no longer has any power over the new man. So let us not let sin reign (i.e. let's strive to obey).


Romans 6:12-14
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.


Putting everything Paul initially set up together, SIN has dominion over the person who is condemned/penalized (i.e. under the law). Meanwhile, the believer is no longer condemned/penalized, they are under grace's power (i.e. God's divine strength and instruction to live rightouesly [Titus 2:11]).


Romans 6:15-14 [brackets mine, following established context]
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, [penalty/condemnation] but under grace [divine strength & instruction]? God forbid.

16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.


Whomever you yield yourself to you will obey.

Yielding to sin we will break God's law.

Yielding to obedience we will not break God's law.