Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

I was 18 years.

Never lost my faith in Jesus, lost it in the church

What did John say about those who departed from us and now deny christ?

this makes no sense.

if the time is called grace.. how is it a condition.

by the way. Grace has been the only means of salvation since the fall of mankind..

If we fall away can we come back?

I think I’m getting closer to paydirt with you.

I can tell by the intensity of your insults.

That’s a good thing I guess. Like the guy that has a breakdown right before he has a breakthrough.

If we fall away can we come back?

This I got saved and now I can live like the devil is the greatest message Satan ever preached.

Look at how many believe in that?

Yes. We’re apparently born again again and again and ….

Oh you get the idea.

If God promised to restore the Jews if they repented, then I believe the answer is the same for the Gentile.

How many times can you deny God before He hardens your heart or gives you over to a REPROBATE MIND?


We can always return through Repentence.

Yes it is the greatest message Satan ever preached.

That does not mean that the person who believes this is saved.

If someone says that or believes that then they need to be reminded of what Paul says in Romans.

If they reject it then shake then shake the dust of your feet because they reject the gospel.

Thanks for responding.

I asked "If we fall away can we come back"
The we being me/you and others and not a generalising of Jews and Gentiles.

How would you reconcile the following?

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

That means they must be Saved to have this knowledge.

You are so inconsistent on your theory it's becoming a JOKE.

Thanks for responding.

I asked "If we fall away can we come back"
The we being me/you and others and not a generalising of Jews and Gentiles.

How would you reconcile the following?

Hebrews 6:4-6
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,
5 and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come,
6 if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.

If God forces us to spend Eternity with Him if we choose we don't want that, why are sinners who were never saved going to HELL?

It's the same scenario.

I was 18 years.

Never lost my faith in Jesus, lost it in the church and certain types of Christians.
I was a damaged wounded person based on servere childhood trauma.

Had a ministry in church.
When I could no longer cope with the past I asked to step down from the ministry and seek counselling and spiritual input from the church.
I was knackered emotionally, and spiritually.

The answer was no because I was no longer serving.

Addictions took over me.
Sought help for that but was told Bible says to do eg don't gamble.
Was told I wasn't saved because I did not speak in tongues.
Same with addiction.
The list could go on and on.
Shame on Christians who shoot their wounded rather than nurse them.
Why would I want to go to church and trust Christians like this.

Through all of this I never lost my faith in Jesus.
I begged, implored cried out for help and healing.

Never write/judge people off.
Come alongside if something is amiss.
Feed to sheep of Jesus.

You are trying to add something significant to the verse that it just does not say, nor can it support. Nice to know that you can just change gospel to make it fit what you want at your whim. Were what you're saying to be true, then it just couldn't correctly say "through the knowledge" because were it by salvation as you say, then it would have to had said "through the salvation" because without question, that would be the correct explanation, not knowledge. However, it doesn't say that because for it do so would make it wrong.
You are just unable to read it closely enough to grasp its intent or compare it to other scripture to come to a correct interpretation.

I think 2 Peter 2:20 explains it well

How many times can you deny God before He hardens your heart or gives you over to a REPROBATE MIND?

We can always return through Repentence.

I had the same thing happen. I was a prodigal son myself..

who, who have truly understood their eternal destiny based on who and what God is. who was saved, would want to go back?

I mean really