Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Peter is using a Proverb that is not speaking about sheep but about habits.
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He is using a proverb to talk about people who at one time confessed to be christians who returned to their sin (vomit) and explaining why they returned to their vomit

because they are dogs.

A dog will always return to his vomit. like a non believer will always return to his sin. John said whoever sins (of the world. eats their vomit) has never met God, whoever is born of God can not sin (go back)

why do you reject scripture?
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
I am not denying scripture my friend. I am correctly interpreting it.

Why are you making scripture contradict itself. and misapplying and misinterpreting it?
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You clearly are denying concept.

Peter is showing habits.

These saved people still kept their old habits and that example is no different than a dog returning to its vomit or a pig to its mud.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Yes because of habits.

Peter is talking about saved people continuing to Sin in same ways they did before they were saved and that habit is no different than a dog returning to its vomit or a pig to its mud.
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A SAVED PERSON CAN NOT CONTINUE IN SIN.

why do you deny the power of God??
 
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rogerg said:
Wisdom given from God, not man's knowledge.

[1Co 2:4-6 KJV]
4 And my speech and my preaching [was] not with enticing words of man's wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power:
5 That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.
6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:

[1Co 2:12-14 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
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Isn't wisdom knowledge that you are aware of.

Face it, now you are twisting word meaning because of the doctrine you are trapped in.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
You clearly are denying concept.

Peter is showing habits.

These saved people still kept their old habits and that example is no different than a dog returning to its vomit or a pig to its mud.
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No

Peter is showing a truth

If one escaped the world. yet has not recieved Christ, and has the knowledge of how to be saved, yet rejects that salvation in the end, that person have it harder than a person who rejected Christ from birth.

A dog returns to his vomit because he is a dog.

You can not interpret peters use of that any other way.
 
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ResidentAlien said:
The word translated knowledge here is epignósis. It's not talking about head knowledge but first-hand experiential knowledge. It's talking about the knowledge of the truth received from the Holy Spirit.

https://biblehub.com/greek/1922.htm
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The point is that it is of man's knowledge - from, by, and through man - not God
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
No

Peter is showing a truth

If one escaped the world. yet has not recieved Christ, and has the knowledge of how to be saved, yet rejects that salvation in the end, that person have it harder than a person who rejected Christ from birth.

A dog returns to his vomit because he is a dog.

You can not interpret peters use of that any other way.
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You are twisted.

You are probably a cessationist as well.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
How do you know you are Saved if you don't have any knowledge about your conversion?
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Maybe THIS is the whole issue with people who think Jesus can't keep them saved.

Knowledge may reinforce my Faith and certainty that I am saved but it is THIS that makes me KNOW IT!

Romans 8:16

New King James Version

16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,
'm saved, but it is my spirit and the Holy Spirit
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Yes, agreed, this is why Peter says these who did sin become worse than before. They were saved but didn't change. They didn't crucify their flesh only fed it.
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here we go.

Your trying to save yourself

repent my friend, and allow God to save you. if you are not saved already,

He will change you.. and ge will give you thge holy spirit to help you change, and make you into a new creature

if you did get saved at one point, remember your first love, because it appears you have forgotten it
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
here we go.

Your trying to save yourself

repent my friend, and allow God to save you. if you are not saved already,

He will change you.. and ge will give you thge holy spirit to help you change, and make you into a new creature

if you did get saved at one point, remember your first love, because it appears you have forgotten it
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I can do NOTHING to save myself!
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Yes because of habits.

Peter is talking about saved people continuing to Sin in same ways they did before they were saved and that habit is no different than a dog returning to its vomit or a pig to its mud.
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Nope. Everything you said here is from your own imagination, NOT Scripture.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
You are twisted.

You are probably a cessationist as well.
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I pray you repent my friend, and stop trusting in yourself.

If I am twisted because my faith is in Christ, His promise, His work, and His holy spirit. and not myself, then thank God I am twisted. Because every time I rely on myself and not God. I fail.
 
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