Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

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he knows the end from the beginning, He already knows who WILL be His and who won't.
 
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fredoheaven said:
Their rejection of the truth of the gospel brings them to hell. Whosoever will believe will go to heaven but those that are not goes to hell
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Those that God does not quicken to a new spiritual life, do, indeed, think spiritual things are foolishness.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
Do you walk around looking at people and wonder if God is Saving them or purposefully Sending them to HELL?
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God does not send anyone to hell, all of mankind send themselves to hell, by not seeking God, but God choose most of them to adopt as his children, by having Jesus to redeem them from their sins. Jesus only died for those that his Father gave to him (John 6:39, Heb 2:13, John 6:37, John 17:2).
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
There are many who claim that God does not desire the salvation of all human beings. But that is simply a lie of the devil. This one verse from Isaiah 45:22 refutes that idea: Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else. This is confirmed below in John 3:16,17.

"All the ends of the earth" encompasses the whole world of humanity. Therefore if God were electing people for salvation, He would elect everyone and save everyone. But that is not how God offers salvation to mankind. Instead God wants that the Gospel be preached in all the world and to "every creature". And when the Gospel is preached, those hearing the Gospel must also hear that (1) God now commands all men everywhere to repent and (2) God now commands all men everywhere to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and be saved. It is through repentance toward God and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ that sinners are saved from Hell (Acts 20:21).

At the same time God and Christ know that all men will not be saved, because many love darkness rather than light. So what we are seeing today is that evil is triumphing over good, and evil is increasing day by day, while that which is righteous is attacked, rejected and reviled.

Nonetheless, the true Gospel must continue to be propagated, and what it says is this (John 3:1-21;29-36 ). These are the words of Christ Himself as well as His forerunner John the Baptist. So these are the words of God.

1 There was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews:
2 The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him.
3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God...
29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
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Spiritual Israel turned away from God and worshiped idols, and God blinded their eyes to see the truth, and scattered them to the ends of the earth, until they should repent (Zeph 3:11-13) they are known as the lost sheep of the house of Israel, but he left in the midst of them a remnant.

Isaiah 45:17 - But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation.



Are the following scriptures depicting the same "world" that is depicted in John 3:16?

John 14:17 - Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive.

John 15:18-19 - If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me, before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own, but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

John 16:19-20 - Do ye inquire among yourselves of that I said, a little while, and ye shall not see me, and again, a little while, and ye shall see me? Verly, Verly, I say unto you, that ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice, and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.

John 17:9 - I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me, for they are thine.
 
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ForestGreenCook said:
Faith is not the cause of anyone's eternal salvation.
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Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

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COMMENTARY OF S. CYRIL,

PATRIARCH OF ALEXANDRIA,

UPON THE GOSPEL OF ST. LUKE.



21 Upon the arrival, therefore, of the eighth day, on which it was customary for the circumcision in the flesh to be performed according to the enactment of the law, He receives His Name, even Jesus, which by interpretation signifies, the Salvation of the people. For so had God the Father willed that His Son should be named, when born in the flesh of a woman. For then especially was He made the salvation of the people, and not of one only, but of many, or rather of every nation, and of the whole world. He received His name, therefore, on the same occasion on which He was circumcised.

https://www.tertullian.org/fathers/cyril_on_luke_01_sermons_01_11.htm#C1
 
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shittim said:
he knows the end from the beginning, He already knows who WILL be His and who won't.
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The question is who decided to write the name of the individual in the book of Life before the world was. Was it the individual who hasn't been born yet or was it God. If it was the individual, then he can boast in heaven and give himself glory for making the right choices and being worthy. If it is God, then the individual is acted upon by the Father who makes him realize that he is a sinner and not worthy of salvation. He repents and turns to God for forgiveness, who in turn provides information through preaching of the forgiveness of sins through Christ. And at the time of believing he gets perfected by the Holy Spirit of the Father and Son who fill his heart with the same divine love that they share so that the individual can walk in the Spirit and fulfill the Spirit of the Law which is to have every thought and action motivated by love of God first and everyone else as he loves himself. I think myself unworthy and at the same time thank God for His mercy and grace and the Holy Spirit for giving me direction and knowledge. God's standards are too high for us to accomplish on our own.
 
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The question is who decided to write the name of the individual in the book of Life before the world was.
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Actually every name is written in the Book of Life until it is "blotted out" (or expunged) when a person remains unrepentant. The Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden signified that God planned to give eternal life to all humanity. But now He offers eternal life to all humanity through the Gospel. Anyone who claims otherwise perverts the truth. That is why the Bible says that NOW GOD COMMANDS ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT (Acts 17:30).
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
Actually every name is written in the Book of Life until it is "blotted out" (or expunged) when a person remains unrepentant. The Tree of Life in the Garden of Eden signified that God planned to give eternal life to all humanity. But now He offers eternal life to all humanity through the Gospel. Anyone who claims otherwise perverts the truth. That is why the Bible says that NOW GOD COMMANDS ALL MEN EVERYWHERE TO REPENT (Acts 17:30).
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Please show me where in scripture it says that names in the book of life will be blotted out (or expunged) when a person remains unrepentant. I'll be waiting for you to provide the scripture. It seems that you are saying that God makes mistakes.
 
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The answer is yes he does desire salvation for all mankind but thats the thing he desires it he offers it and it is called a gift for a reason. Except he tends be to polite about it sometimes he wont force it but it's their loss.

I saw a video of some of the things celebrities have been mocking God and speaking blasphemes things I was disgusted and furious the state of the world has become so horribly bad and And salvation is nowhere to be found but salvation is needed to be given and he isn't going to be the worker here that is what he has us for we bring salvation to the world and honestly one of the celebreties said something blasphemes but I actually saw potentiel in him if he were brought to Christ.
 
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Blain said:
The answer is yes he does desire salvation for all mankind but thats the thing he desires it he offers it and it is called a gift for a reason. Except he tends be to polite about it sometimes he wont force it but it's their loss.

I saw a video of some of the things celebrities have been mocking God and speaking blasphemes things I was disgusted and furious the state of the world has become so horribly bad and And salvation is nowhere to be found but salvation is needed to be given and he isn't going to be the worker here that is what he has us for we bring salvation to the world and honestly one of the celebreties said something blasphemes but I actually saw potentiel in him if he were brought to Christ.
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Christ desires the salvation of all mankind and died for all mankind, but the Father's justice and mercy demands that only a few will be saved. If He condemns everyone, He would not be merciful. If He saves everyone, there would be no justice and sin would run rampant. The only solution is to show His mercy on a few predetermined individuals by granting them repentance, washing away their sins through His Son, and perfecting them through His Holy Spirit.
 
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