Post Trib Rapture?

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Radius

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Pre-Trib just makes more sense to me.

Could Post tribbers explain how it makes sense that the resurrection and rapture to occur at the Second Coming? We all ascend into the clouds to meet Jesus, only to immediately return to earth?

No other disputed verses need to be made here. I specifically just want to know if it makes sense to you that we should be raptured, then meet the Lord in the clouds, only to immediately come back to earth.
 
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John146

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Radius said:
Pre-Trib just makes more sense to me.

Could Post tribbers explain how it makes sense that the resurrection and rapture to occur at the Second Coming? We all ascend into the clouds to meet Jesus, only to immediately return to earth?

No other disputed verses need to be made here. I specifically just want to know if it makes sense to you that we should be raptured, then meet the Lord in the clouds, only to immediately come back to earth.
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I see both taking place. Pre-trib of the Gentile body of Christ. Post-trib of the Jewish remnant before the judgment of the earth.
 
maxwel

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I have a theory that all the good people have already been raptured...
and now it's just me and you guys.
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RichMan

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John146 said:
I see both taking place. Pre-trib of the Gentile body of Christ. Post-trib of the Jewish remnant before the judgment of the earth.
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Revelation 20 states that to escape the second death one must be in the first resurrection.
The first resurrection will include those who did not take the mark of the beast nor worshiped him.
The first resurrection takes place after or at the time that the beast and false prophet are cast into the pit and Satin is bound for 1000 years.
SO, you explain how there can be a resurrection before the first?
 
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Saul-to-Paul

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Radius said:
Pre-Trib just makes more sense to me.

Could Post tribbers explain how it makes sense that the resurrection and rapture to occur at the Second Coming? We all ascend into the clouds to meet Jesus, only to immediately return to earth?

No other disputed verses need to be made here. I specifically just want to know if it makes sense to you that we should be raptured, then meet the Lord in the clouds, only to immediately come back to earth.
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Post Tribers don't believe in a 1000 year reign of Christ on this earth. The 1000 years in Revelation is the church age. The switch from Judaism to Christianity.

Regardless, the saints will be raptured on the last day and will return to a new heavens and new earth after the unsaved are judged and cast into the lake of fire.
 
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RichMan

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Saul-to-Paul said:
Post Tribers don't believe in a 1000 year reign of Christ on this earth. The 1000 years in Revelation is the church age. The switch from Judaism to Christianity.

Regardless, the saints will be raptured on the last day and will return to a new heavens and new earth after the unsaved are judged and cast into the lake of fire.
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You are wrong about what we believe.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie

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Joining the returning king in the clouds is not leaving earth. The living will rise up to meet him as he comes.
 
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John146

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RichMan said:
Revelation 20 states that to escape the second death one must be in the first resurrection.
The first resurrection will include those who did not take the mark of the beast nor worshiped him.
The first resurrection takes place after or at the time that the beast and false prophet are cast into the pit and Satin is bound for 1000 years.
SO, you explain how there can be a resurrection before the first?
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Was Christ resurrected? Was he the firstfruits?
 
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RichMan

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John146 said:
Was Christ resurrected? Was he the firstfruits?
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Yes but we are talking about the Saints.
There cannot be two resurrections of the saints according to Revelations 20.
 
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John146

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maxwel said:
I have a theory that all the good people have already been raptured...
and now it's just me and you guys.
.
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The Lord recently sent a message to all those who are going to be raptured. Do you know what that message said? No? You didn’t get it? Good luck. 😀
 
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John146

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RichMan said:
Yes but we are talking about the Saints.
There cannot be two resurrections of the saints according to Revelations 20.
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The resurrection is likened to a harvest. The first fruits, the main gathering, then the gleanings. One resurrection, three parts.
 
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RichMan

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John146 said:
The Lord recently sent a message to all those who are going to be raptured. Do you know what that message said? No? You didn’t get it? Good luck. 😀
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Please do tell us when that message was sent.
 
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RichMan

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John146 said:
The resurrection is likened to a harvest. The first fruits, the main gathering, then the gleanings. One resurrection, three parts.
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Now you are offering an opinion that cannot be proven with Scripture.
Like so many today, you simply will not just accept what Scripture states when it disproves what you believe.
 
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RichMan

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Saul-to-Paul said:
I did not say RichMan the PostTriber believes. There are other PostTribers that believe what I wrote.
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But you included all in your post.
Should only speak of those you know.
 
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John146

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RichMan said:
Now you are offering an opinion that cannot be proven with Scripture.
Like so many today, you simply will not just accept what Scripture states when it disproves what you believe.
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What is first fruits? Why is Christ described in this manner? What about the OT saints that were raised after Jesus and were seen in the city? What about the small and great that are resurrected to face judgment?
 
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Saul-to-Paul

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RichMan said:
But you included all in your post.
Should only speak of those you know.
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Did not say all. That's probably how you read the Bible. And even if I did say all, that itself doesn't include every Post-triber that ever lived.
 
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RichMan

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John146 said:
What is first fruits? Why is Christ described in this manner? What about the OT saints that were raised after Jesus and were seen in the city? What about the small and great that are resurrected to face judgment?
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All those resurrected in the past were resurrected in the flesh, Jesus, the Son of God being the exception.
The first resurrection is described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 15:51,52.
He also tells us when. "at the last trump".
In verse 23 he states "Christ the first fruits; afterward they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING".
Scripture is very clear. There is one resurrection of the saints and it is at His coming.
To say in comes in several step over several years is just not supported by Scripture and in in conflict with Scripture.
 
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RichMan

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Saul-to-Paul said:
Post Tribers don't believe in a 1000 year reign of Christ on this earth. The 1000 years in Revelation is the church age. The switch from Judaism to Christianity.

Regardless, the saints will be raptured on the last day and will return to a new heavens and new earth after the unsaved are judged and cast into the lake of fire.
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Thought I would post what you said again.
 
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