Who are members of Jesus' family, and who will He save?

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Jesus made a couple of important statements, concerning the Father's Will.

1. "For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father is my brother, and sister, and mother.” Matthew 12:46-50

2. "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." Matthew 7:21


Jesus clearly places a lot of emphasis on 'doing the will of the Father. What did he mean?
 
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arthurfleminger said:
Jesus made a couple of important statements, concerning the Father's Will.

1. "For whoever does the will of my heavenly Father is my brother, and sister, and mother.” Matthew 12:46-50

2. "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven." Matthew 7:21


Jesus clearly places a lot of emphasis on 'doing the will of the Father. What did he mean?
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I think your answer is found in john 3:16
 
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Locoponydirtman said:
I think your answer is found in john 3:16
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Some say that the Father's Will is just believing in Jesus. But that can't be so. Jesus Himself said He came to do the Father's Will, [ John 5:19 .] He came into this life to do the will of his Father, and not his own will.

And Jesus didn't come to earth just to believe in Himself. So, what is the Father's will that Jesus wants us to do?
 
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Cameron143 said:
Also John 6:29.
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John 6:29 reads, " “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

So, does this mean only to believe that Jesus is Lord, God, and Savior? Or does it mean to believe all that Jesus taught us and taught us to do?
 
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arthurfleminger said:
John 6:29 reads, " “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

So, does this mean only to believe that Jesus is Lord, God, and Savior? Or does it mean to believe all that Jesus taught us and taught us to do?
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Sure I gave a simple answer. Initially we are to believe unto salvation. But afterwards there will are works that we are created in Christ Jesus for...Ephesians 2:10.
Are you asking what those works are?
 
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arthurfleminger said:
Some say that the Father's Will is just believing in Jesus. But that can't be so. Jesus Himself said He came to do the Father's Will, [ John 5:19 .] He came into this life to do the will of his Father, and not his own will.

And Jesus didn't come to earth just to believe in Himself. So, what is the Father's will that Jesus wants us to do?
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Believing in Jesus is believing in all that he taught us to do, not just believing He is Lord, God, and Savior. It is believing in all that He taught us to do. "Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock "

It's far more than just mere belief.

So, what how do we comply with obeying the Father's Will, according to Jesus commands?

And, please, don't pull Scripture out of context piecemeal to prove your point.
 
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Aussie52 said:
Why do people want to have FAITH + something else?
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Because they are by nature mathematicians and like adding. Which leads to division with God, a subtraction of grace and multiplied sorrows.
 
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Yes.
Calvinists want to frontload justification with 'works' and Arminians want to backload justification with ' works'.
 
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It is normal worship to desire faith, hope, and love. Also oil in our lamps to keep us burning 'til the break of day.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
Some say that the Father's Will is just believing in Jesus. But that can't be so. Jesus Himself said He came to do the Father's Will, [ John 5:19 .] He came into this life to do the will of his Father, and not his own will.

And Jesus didn't come to earth just to believe in Himself. So, what is the Father's will that Jesus wants us to do?
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The fathers will for Jesus and his will for us are different. The Father doesnt want you to pay for the sin of the world.
 
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Jesus taught us many times to do the Father's Will and that it was important. As another example, when Jesus taught His apostles, and us, the Lord's Prayer. When we pray this prayer we pledge ourselves to do the Father's Will while on earth, as the Father's Will is done in heaven.

So, how do we live our faith, incorporating the Father's Will into our daily living?
 
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arthurfleminger said:
Jesus taught us many times to do the Father's Will and that it was important. As another example, when Jesus taught His apostles, and us, the Lord's Prayer. When we pray this prayer we pledge ourselves to do the Father's Will while on earth, as the Father's Will is done in heaven.

So, how do we live our faith, incorporating the Father's Will into our daily living?
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1 Peter 1:15-16 But just as He who called you is holy, so be holy
in all you do, for it is written: “Be holy, because I am holy.”

Leviticus 11:44
For I am the LORD your God; consecrate yourselves, therefore, and be holy, because
I am holy. You must not defile yourselves by any creature that crawls along the ground.

Leviticus 11:45
For I am the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt so
that I would be your God; therefore be holy, because I am holy.

Leviticus 19:2
"Speak to the whole congregation of Israel and tell them:
Be holy because I, the LORD your God, am holy.

Leviticus 20:7
Consecrate yourselves, therefore, and be holy, because I am the LORD your God.

Isaiah 35:8
And there will be a highway called the Way of Holiness. The unclean will not
travel it--only those who walk in the Way--and fools will not stray onto it.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
Believing in Jesus is believing in all that he taught us to do, not just believing He is Lord, God, and Savior. It is believing in all that He taught us to do. "Every one therefore that heareth these words of mine, and doeth them, shall be likened unto a wise man, who built his house upon the rock "

It's far more than just mere belief.

So, what how do we comply with obeying the Father's Will, according to Jesus commands?

And, please, don't pull Scripture out of context piecemeal to prove your point.
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Then none has any hope of salvation...for there's only one who has done the will of the Father...Jesus Christ!
 
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John146 said:
Then none has any hope of salvation...for there's only one who has done the will of the Father...Jesus Christ!
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You say that only Jesus can do the Will of the Father, yet throughout the Gospels Jesus exhorts us to to the Father's Will. So your logic can't be correct. Jesus told us that those who do the Father's Will are His family, that only those who do the Will of the Father will be saved, and Jesus taught us in the Lord's Prayer to pray that we do the Father's Will.
 
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arthurfleminger said:
Some say that the Father's Will is just believing in Jesus. But that can't be so. Jesus Himself said He came to do the Father's Will, [ John 5:19 .] He came into this life to do the will of his Father, and not his own will.

And Jesus didn't come to earth just to believe in Himself. So, what is the Father's will that Jesus wants us to do?
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give us the free gift of eternal life
 
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arthurfleminger said:
Jesus taught us many times to do the Father's Will and that it was important. As another example, when Jesus taught His apostles, and us, the Lord's Prayer. When we pray this prayer we pledge ourselves to do the Father's Will while on earth, as the Father's Will is done in heaven.

So, how do we live our faith, incorporating the Father's Will into our daily living?
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The FIRST STEP in doing the works of God is to be SURE we are qualified to do them. That is to be SURE we are saved. We have been born again, we have received His life.

Make certain we are planted in God's good soil.

You are not sure either about your own salvation or anybody else's this uncertainty may well flog you into doing all kinds of good deeds but will never be good enough to save your soul.

Jesus said "only believe" that's a command, don't try to substitute good works for faith.

What good deed could you possibly do that will save you? what multiplicity of good deeds.?
 
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