CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus

It seems like a lot of the new people have not read the OT, or at least very well! I was actually quoting the Old Testament, although I admit I didn't put quotes around it, or the address. So, I will remedy my failure to quote the important verses, as well as the lack of understanding of what the Old Testament says, below.

"You must follow the Lord your God and revere only him; and you must observe his commandments, obey him, serve him, and remain loyal to him. 5 As for that prophet or dreamer, he must be executed because he encouraged rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you from the land of Egypt, redeeming you from that place of slavery, and because he has tried to entice you from the way the Lord your God has commanded you to go. In this way you must purge evil from among you." Deut. 13:4-5

"Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again." Deut. 13:10-11

This covers idolatry. God considers it a very serious sin. So serious, that he told his people to STONE those who would lead his people astray! But what about false prophets? What does it say about them?

"The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”

21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed." Deut 18:7-21

So, put to death! But is this an exception, or are there more voices against false prophets?

"The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the Lord! 3 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins. 5 You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord. 6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say, “The Lord declares,” and expect him to fulfill their words. 7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken?" Ezekiel 13:1-7

"10 “‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash, 11 therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 12 When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?”

13 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. 14 I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. When it falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the Lord. "Ezekiel 13:10-13

"But I see the prophets of Jerusalem
doing something just as shocking.
They are unfaithful to me
and continually prophesy lies.
So they give encouragement to people who are doing evil,
with the result that they do not stop their evildoing." Jeremiah 23:14

"This is what the Lord Almighty says:

“Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds,
not from the mouth of the Lord.
17 They keep saying to those who despise me,
‘The Lord says: You will have peace.’
And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts
they say, ‘No harm will come to you.’
18 But which of them has stood in the council of the Lord
to see or to hear his word?
Who has listened and heard his word?
19 See, the storm of the Lord
will burst out in wrath,
a whirlwind swirling down
on the heads of the wicked.
20 The anger of the Lord will not turn back
until he fully accomplishes
the purposes of his heart.
In days to come
you will understand it clearly.
21 I did not send these prophets,
yet they have run with their message;
I did not speak to them,
yet they have prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in my council,
they would have proclaimed my words to my people
and would have turned them from their evil ways
and from their evil deeds." Jeremiah 23:16-22

“Therefore,” declares the Lord, “I am against the prophets who steal from one another words supposedly from me. 31 Yes,” declares the Lord, “I am against the prophets who wag their own tongues and yet declare, ‘The Lord declares.’ 32 Indeed, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,” declares the Lord. “They tell them and lead my people astray with their reckless lies, yet I did not send or appoint them. They do not benefit these people in the least,” declares the Lord." Jeremiah 23:30-32

In fact, the prophets declare warnings over and over, yet the people listen to the false prophets, whom God will destroy. Have you never read these verses? I know many of the false prophets in modern society prophecy lie, over and over. We are not to predict the future, and certainly not when Jesus will return. And people who believe these people, are just as bad as the false prophets.


So, the big question. Did I really mean false prophets should be destroyed or killed? I'm just following the Bible, after all! No, I would never condemn someone to death! It is not my place! That is God's prerogative. But, on the other hand, God has spoken strongly and in many places in the Bible about false prophets. Esp. those predicting the time when Christ will return. Or crying peace, peace when there is none. Or proclaiming lying words. This is not just about bad theology! This is about deliberately defying the living God. Who can stand and declare they know more than Jesus! NO ONE! And Jesus said he does not know when his return will come. But some false prophet comes along with a bunch of false theories, or perhaps calculations, and suddenly the man has many followers he is leading astray.

Biblically, I am correct to call for stoning or death for false prophets. It is God's solution for them. But, from a human side, I have spent the last 42 years following Christ, and trying to be more like him. Jesus could have killed all the Pharisees and Sadducees who were saying he was not God, not a prophet. But, he lived his life with love and peace, but still hating sin. I hate sin, too! That is what the Bible tells us to do! We are to tell people to repent of their sins, because sin destroys people. People who predict the future, are sinning. They need to repent of this sin. That is the message Jesus brought to us. But it was not a new message - the entire Old Testament is filled with this message.

I read both Hebrew and Greek. I have studied hermeneutics or Bible interpretation. I have read the Bible from cover to cover 55 times, in several languages and many translations. I've read the NT in Koine Greek many times. No where, do I ever see instructions from God, to predict when he is returning. The opposite, in fact! I detest how many people have been led astray by false prophets for centuries. But, in the present, people have only themselves to blame, for not reading their Bible daily for years and decades. Remember 3 chapters of the OT and 1 of the NT gets you through the Bible in a year. It's a new year, start now. Then you will not be so susceptible to these false prophets. Believe the Bible, not soothsayers!

That is not true! I did believe in the vax in the beginning. I started a long post which went for hundreds of pages. I think we discussed every facet of COVID, vaxes & pharmaceuticals possible. I got 3 vaxes during 2021. I stood by what I had said!

Jan 2, 2022, I got a positive test for COVID. I had COVID pneumonia by then. I was hospitalized, but got monoclonal antibodies, which helped in 1/2 hour, to reverse the pneumonia. I was released, went home and slept 22 hours a day for 3 weeks. My husband also got COVID the same day as I did. He slept for 3 days! On the 4th day, he got up & puttered around the house, the 5th day, he went skiing! Why? Because he is very healthy, except not having a spleen. He had 2 vaxes, I had 3.

I still have long COVID. I'm fatigued all the time. I've had a cold for 2 months, I just can't shake it. I realized I had been wrong! We were lied to about the vax. It really did NOT prevent COVID transmission. I got COVID in a fancy restaurant, that my kids took me to! It was literally the only time in 2 years that I wasn't wearing my carbon filtered Respro mask, which I have worn for over 30 years to prevent me from breathing allergens.

So why did I get so much sicker than my husband, besides the vax not working? Because I'm immuno compromised, and have been for 25 years. I take cancer drugs to suppress my immune system from attacking me. I have severe Rheumatoid Arthritis, and can't get out of bed if I am not on these drugs. So, two different reactions.

I went back to the very long post I made, admitted I was wrong! I admitted the vax didn't work. Personally, I believe I got a Placebo vax. I never even had a sore arm, nor was sick for a second. The vaxes were never tested on immuno compromised people. At first, they said we would not be able to get it. Suddenly, we were second in line, after the 80-90 year olds! Why? Because the plan was to give us a Placebo, so we could get our vax cards.

I do agree the people in charge of this farce should be tried! Not death, necessarily, but the rest of their lives in jail? Well, I am not the judge!

The point is, I wrongly trusted the system! I should have known anything Trudeau was for, had to be a scam. It has made me suspicious of everything going on in our society. Trudeau & Biden are just pawns, doing the evil business if their puppet masters. Western Canada is ready to separate if Trudeau wins in the next election.

I agree we do need to stop these globalist initiatives, esp depopulation, economic destruction, and taking away of our rights! And soon!

It doesn't because you haven't been on here long enough to "know" people's personalities. Angela is one of the nicest, kindest people on here, along with being arguably the best Greek scholar...
You people that want to take every little thing completely literally need to just back off, take a breath, and perhaps..... just perhaps, ASK the person who said it if they truly meant it literally..... before you fly off into the bushes with your hair on fire.
Just a thought.....

There are lots of false teachers and preachers and so called prophets that lead so many astray. They are leading people into hell, which is far worse than being stoned to death. Its the worst sin on earth. Worse than mass murder, its mass damnation.

Anyway, most people on here think God chooses whom He wants to save (divine selection) so what difference does it make?

Over the last 50 years, Calvinism has crept into many seminaries, and the pastors coming from these seminaries start teaching it, or at least hinting to it. Now we have generations believing God elected them to salvation. A dangerous doctrine for the Laodicean Age. Could this doctrine have lead to the lukewarm church of today?

And so what is your solution, should we return to Calvin's Geneva and put Servetus to death for being a so called heretic?

Anyway, most people on here think God chooses whom He wants to save (divine selection) so what difference does it make?

Im not a calvinist, and see it as a great and horrific sin (As does God) to mislead people into sin and into a false understanding of God and his word.

Jesus directly stated "this generation" not the generation of 2000 years from now.

I stand by my statement we do not live in old testament times, freedom of speech is a right and a person does not have to believe everything they hear. Everyone can do their own research and draw their own conclusions.

I have read some of her ancient posts and seems to me she drove people off this discussion board so I am not convinced by your words either.

Jesus directly stated "this generation" not the generation of 2000 years from now.

Wow very insightful.
Look how it permeates on here. God selects and man cannot understand the simple Gospel when Jesus states the exact opposite throughout His ministry.
It rip verses out of context and pays no attention to whom the words were being spoken and why.
Unfortunately it is ubiquitous.
It does seem to create an apathy and also holds fellow human beings in very low regard because they are not chosen.
Not good.

Sorry I misspoke, I meant Ezekiel and Leviticus.

[re: Calvinism]


... oh, and just to note (to be clear): I myself am neither Calvinist nor Arminianist.

I, too, think it is very important (also when THAT topic is being covered, like in discussion boards or whatever) that one PAY CAREFUL ATTENTION to whom words in scripture were spoken and why... and what that means... and the important and many details that often get glossed over when ppl claim "Calvinism" is IT [/the truth], etc (same goes for "the other side's" claims)

I can't recall if you are one who I've discussed this with before, or not, so apologies if I've mentioned this to you before...

Lk21:32 states, "...This generation shall not pass away till all shall have taken place."

By verse 32's placement in the text, v.32's "ALL" must necessarily INCLUDE those things which had already been spoken of in verse 24 which itself contains "of-lengthy-duration" items ("and they shall be led away captive into all the nations, AND Jerusalem shall be TRODDEN DOWN of the Gentiles *UNTIL* the TIMES of the Gentiles be fulfulled"... where "the TIMES of the Gentiles" is something that STARTED back in 606/605bc (think: Neb's "dream / statue / image") and stretches to CONCLUDE at the time of Christ's Second Coming to the earth Rev19, which hasn't taken place yet.

Do you believe the "TRODDEN DOWN / TREAD UNDERFOOT" (same Grk word) in Rev11:2 (with it's reference to "42 months") took place in the events surrounding 70ad? I have biblical reasons for believing that Rev11:2 speaks of something (namely, the time period shown there) as yet future, and which immediately precedes and leads up TO Christ's Second Coming to the earth.





Then there's also the matter of the SEQUENCE ISSUES in His Olivet Discourse, which I've covered in many past posts--which I won't go into here, other than to say, Lk21:12's "But BEFORE ALL THESE" (referring to, before all "the beginning of birth pangs" in vv.8-11) the things in verses 12-24b (the 70ad events) must take place; whereas Matt24:4-8 STARTS OUT with "the beginning of birth pangs" and proceeds to tell what comes AFTER THOSE...



So, with the phrase "this generation," its force is moral... it "will NOT pass away, till ALL shall have taken place" (v.32)... which must necessarily INCLUDE the very "of-lengthy-duration" items that v.24 had already just referred to (included in this verse 32's reference to "ALL"--"till ALL shall have taken place")

--plus, how Lk21:24a (included in v.32's "ALL") shows the exact OPPOSITE "end /result / outcome" from that which Matt24:29-31 [/Isa27:12-13,9] shows as ITS "end / result / outcome"--which is reasonable, given that one takes place "BEFORE ALL" the beginning of birth pangs (the 70ad events), whereas the other takes place AFTER the beginning of birth pangs (note: I do not say "immediately after )




Hope this helps you see my perspective on the phrase "this generation" and how it is placed specifically in Lk21:32 (to INCLUDE v.24's items)

This in addition to the Berisheet prophecy.
Meaning the 7-year tribulation starts this year and for pre-tribbers, this is the year you go up to meet Jesus in the clouds. I lived my whole life of 41 years and flip flop from pre-trib/pre-wrath and post-trib. Still don't know. But I'll be ready.

This in addition to the Berisheet prophecy.
Meaning the 7-year tribulation starts this year and for pre-tribbers, this is the year you go up to meet Jesus in the clouds. I lived my whole life of 41 years and flip flop from pre-trib/pre-wrath and post-trib. Still don't know. But I'll be ready.

I hope so!
Revelation 22:20
“He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.”

This in addition to the Berisheet prophecy.
Meaning the 7-year tribulation starts this year and for pre-tribbers, this is the year you go up to meet Jesus in the clouds. I lived my whole life of 41 years and flip flop from pre-trib/pre-wrath and post-trib. Still don't know. But I'll be ready.