CJ Lovik with another prophecy backing up his 2030 return of Jesus

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TheDivineWatermark

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Is that what this video is covering? (I haven't watched it yet, but may try to next week when I'm not so swamped with work).

I pretty much liked his other video you mentioned (or someone mentioned).
I pretty much also agree with the Millennial Day Theory (I think it's called, if memory serves... "7 days = 7 millennium"... the promised and prophesied earthly Millennial Kingdom age being the "7th / LAST Day" [1000 yrs], referenced in Hosea 6:2 as "IN the THIRD day" from the perspective of His ascension point in time)
[again, I'm assuming by "the theory" that maybe you mean the "Millennial Day Theory" as I referred to above??]
I'm just guessing (since I haven't watched this video yet), but I'm thinking he's saying the years (named in the OP) BECAUSE he sees the year of Jesus' Crucifixion as being "30ad"... is that right?


There's another study I've posted before about the year [which year] Jesus was crucified... and it was based on the info supplied in Dan9:25a (which supplies a specific spans of time "FROM... UNTO the messiah the prince"), which when examined can ONLY have His crucifixion in the year 32ad DUE TO the metonic cycle (so many "moons / moon-cycles" between the Nisan of the "going forth of the commandment TO BUILD...," to the Nisan of the completion of those "69 Weeks" [total] when Jesus RODE into Jerusalem on the animal [Zech9:9] and SAID what He said at that time [Lk19:41-44], BOTH of these regarding "the city / Jerusalem"... the specific Subject of THAT "TIME-PROPHECY" [Dan9:24-27]).


IOW, only a "32ad" crucifixion "FITS" the info we're given in Scripture (per that "study," with which I agree)
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Again, I'm only GUESSING a "30ad crucifixion" factored into his presentation and reasoning... I could be wrong on that!
 

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This in addition to the Berisheet prophecy.
Meaning the 7-year tribulation starts this year and for pre-tribbers, this is the year you go up to meet Jesus in the clouds. I lived my whole life of 41 years and flip flop from pre-trib/pre-wrath and post-trib. Still don't know. But I'll be ready.

Another false teacher ignoring Matthew 24.

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Who's claiming to know the day or hour?
Is he not "prophesying" the year as being this year? That fits into the day and hour restriction (extrapolated to month and year).

The Millerites were totally embarrassed when Christ did not return on October 22, 1844. As a result a whole bunch of false doctrines were created by the Seventh Day Adventists.

Unfortunately there is a fair bit of confusion about where this restriction should be applied. It applies to the coming of Christ for His Bride the Church. That will be sudden, unannounced, and unexpected (and has always been imminent as we see in the NT). But as regards the Second Coming of Christ with His saints and angels, that will be preceded by cataclysmic cosmic events. So the whole world will anticipate and witness the Second Coming. No surprises there.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Mt 24:29,30)
 

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Is he not "prophesying" the year as being this year? That fits into the day and hour restriction (extrapolated to month and year).

The Millerites were totally embarrassed when Christ did not return on October 22, 1844. As a result a whole bunch of false doctrines were created by the Seventh Day Adventists.

Unfortunately there is a fair bit of confusion about where this restriction should be applied. It applies to the coming of Christ for His Bride the Church. That will be sudden, unannounced, and unexpected (and has always been imminent as we see in the NT). But as regards the Second Coming of Christ with His saints and angels, that will be preceded by cataclysmic cosmic events. So the whole world will anticipate and witness the Second Coming. No surprises there.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (Mt 24:29,30)
In either scenario no one can predict the day or time of any occurrence in prophecy.

Prophecy stands as evidence of God's predestination of all things. All in his own time. Not ours.
 

hornetguy

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Who's claiming to know the day or hour? I didn't hear the day and hour in the video? Can you point it out? Thanks.
And because I watched his video you're claiming I'm not evangelizing? I do. But nice strawman, and nice accusation.
Lighten up, Francis.... don't get your knickers in a twist....

I was talking about the fools that want to "prophesy" that the end is near, because they have special understanding..... Jesus said even HE didn't know.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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The Millerites were totally embarrassed when Christ did not return on October 22, 1844. As a result a whole bunch of false doctrines were created by the Seventh Day Adventists.
The "Millerites" (those teaching them anyway) used the very FLAWED "Historicist"-method-of-interpretation... where (for example) the "1290 DAYS" really meant (according TO THEM) "1290 YEARS"... This [methodology] was their first MIS-step (in coming to their faulty conclusion)!
 

TheDivineWatermark

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Jesus said even HE didn't know.
He didn't... At the time He said that.



But the word "KNOW [PERFECT indicative]" does not carry the meaning of "CAN NEVER KNOW" nor "WILL NEVER KNOW," see.

After His ascension, He DISCLOSED "further information" regarding THAT Subject... so some 60+ years later (around 95ad) in "Revelation".

Those finding themselves IN the Tribulation period, should have a pretty accurate sense of "WHEN" He will RETURN to the earth (Rev19), IF they will but HEED HIS WORD (or those bringing it, at the time)... But as we can see from Scripture, many will NOT HEED IT (as in the days of Noah... when those around him DISREGARDED the Word of God via Noah, and thus perished in the flood-judgment)
 

hornetguy

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"So many preachers who should receive this punishment."

Doesn't hyperbolic to me.
It doesn't because you haven't been on here long enough to "know" people's personalities. Angela is one of the nicest, kindest people on here, along with being arguably the best Greek scholar...
You people that want to take every little thing completely literally need to just back off, take a breath, and perhaps..... just perhaps, ASK the person who said it if they truly meant it literally..... before you fly off into the bushes with your hair on fire.
Just a thought.....
 
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Technically speaking here, the guy in video never said this day or this hour. He only claimed a YEAR.

Really interesting how some so eager to destroy the idealism behind this concept completely miss the most important keys.

I am not saying one way or another my position on what he's claiming, I just noticed how obvious after watching the video that how bad eager people were to destroy him on issues he actually never committed.
 

Nehemiah6

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I hope this Lovij will be stoned to death for his false prophecy when it does not come to pass! So many preachers who should receive this punishment. It may be the OT, but as Christians we believe the OT!
That is rather harsh and not even applicable under the New Covenant. All we see in the NT is "BEWARE of false prophets, false apostles, false teachers, etc". No one is forcing any Christian to watch or listen to any of this nonsense. So simply ignoring them and/or warning others should be sufficient.

On the other hand I never heard you say even once that all the deceivers promoting the COVID Scamdemic should have been subjected to Nuremberg 2.0 trials (which never happened but should have happened). Which would have meant that the chief perpetrators would have been hanged for crimes against humanity and mass murders. Now that would have been justice under the New Covenant (Romans 13). I believe you were supporting their false narratives all along.
 

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I saw the Berisheet prophesy video and liked it. As to whether it is true we will find out soon enough. Lets hope so. I have had a few dreams lately but lets see if it is from God or just me, who knows.
He knows ! lol do you have success asking Him to reveal the meaning? for me it is often 24-36 hours He will answer.
best wishes
 

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Is that what this video is covering? (I haven't watched it yet, but may try to next week when I'm not so swamped with work).
This video is covering the start of the tribulation using "7 times mutipliers" found in Zachariah and and Ezekiel. Israel was given an amount of time to repent or else be punished (the amount of time given to repent times 7)

I pretty much liked his other video you mentioned (or someone mentioned).
I believe you are referring to the Berisheet prophecy.
 

TheDivineWatermark

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This video is covering the start of the tribulation using "7 times mutipliers" found in Zachariah and and Ezekiel. Israel was given an amount of time to repent or else be punished (the amount of time given to repent times 7)
Okay, right... Yes, I am familiar with the basic idea.

I've posted (a number of times) about the "time-prophecies" regarding Israel (and Jerusalem), from the passages in Leviticus 26:18, 21, 24, 28 ("I will punish you SEVEN TIMES MORE") combined with what Ezek4 says, and a passage from Chronicles (if memory serves)...


... which results in "2520 years" (of 360-days) from 537bc (Return to Israel) TO 1948 (also re: Israel);

... and which also connects by "2520 years" (of 360-days) from 518bc (Temple rebuilding, which makes "Jerusalem" pertinent) TO 1967 (Jerusalem regained)


... and I think there are some further "connections" (time-wise) which I don't have memorized, like the above-mentioned ones.


(y) [not mere "coincidence"!]


I'm forgetting what there is in "Zechariah" (??) that refers to the "SEVEN TIMES"... Would you mind refreshing my memory? (I don't have time to view the video just now... that'll have to wait till next week I think).




You don't have to respond... was just curious about the "Z--" reference, regarding the "7x" ( my brain-fog--->:sleep: lol )


I believe you are referring to the Berisheet prophecy.
Right. Thanks. = )
 

Angela53510

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That is rather harsh and not even applicable under the New Covenant. All we see in the NT is "BEWARE of false prophets, false apostles, false teachers, etc". No one is forcing any Christian to watch or listen to any of this nonsense. So simply ignoring them and/or warning others should be sufficient.

On the other hand I never heard you say even once that all the deceivers promoting the COVID Scamdemic should have been subjected to Nuremberg 2.0 trials (which never happened but should have happened). Which would have meant that the chief perpetrators would have been hanged for crimes against humanity and mass murders. Now that would have been justice under the New Covenant (Romans 13). I believe you were supporting their false narratives all along.

That is not true! I did believe in the vax in the beginning. I started a long post which went for hundreds of pages. I think we discussed every facet of COVID, vaxes & pharmaceuticals possible. I got 3 vaxes during 2021. I stood by what I had said!

Jan 2, 2022, I got a positive test for COVID. I had COVID pneumonia by then. I was hospitalized, but got monoclonal antibodies, which helped in 1/2 hour, to reverse the pneumonia. I was released, went home and slept 22 hours a day for 3 weeks. My husband also got COVID the same day as I did. He slept for 3 days! On the 4th day, he got up & puttered around the house, the 5th day, he went skiing! Why? Because he is very healthy, except not having a spleen. He had 2 vaxes, I had 3.

I still have long COVID. I'm fatigued all the time. I've had a cold for 2 months, I just can't shake it. I realized I had been wrong! We were lied to about the vax. It really did NOT prevent COVID transmission. I got COVID in a fancy restaurant, that my kids took me to! It was literally the only time in 2 years that I wasn't wearing my carbon filtered Respro mask, which I have worn for over 30 years to prevent me from breathing allergens.

So why did I get so much sicker than my husband, besides the vax not working? Because I'm immuno compromised, and have been for 25 years. I take cancer drugs to suppress my immune system from attacking me. I have severe Rheumatoid Arthritis, and can't get out of bed if I am not on these drugs. So, two different reactions.

I went back to the very long post I made, admitted I was wrong! I admitted the vax didn't work. Personally, I believe I got a Placebo vax. I never even had a sore arm, nor was sick for a second. The vaxes were never tested on immuno compromised people. At first, they said we would not be able to get it. Suddenly, we were second in line, after the 80-90 year olds! Why? Because the plan was to give us a Placebo, so we could get our vax cards.

I do agree the people in charge of this farce should be tried! Not death, necessarily, but the rest of their lives in jail? Well, I am not the judge!

The point is, I wrongly trusted the system! I should have known anything Trudeau was for, had to be a scam. It has made me suspicious of everything going on in our society. Trudeau & Biden are just pawns, doing the evil business if their puppet masters. Western Canada is ready to separate if Trudeau wins in the next election.

I agree we do need to stop these globalist initiatives, esp depopulation, economic destruction, and taking away of our rights! And soon!
 

Radius

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Okay, right... Yes, I am familiar with the basic idea.

I've posted (a number of times) about the "time-prophecies" regarding Israel (and Jerusalem), from the passages in Leviticus 26:18, 21, 24, 28 ("I will punish you SEVEN TIMES MORE") combined with what Ezek4 says, and a passage from Chronicles (if memory serves)...


... which results in "2520 years" (of 360-days) from 537bc (Return to Israel) TO 1948 (also re: Israel);

... and which also connects by "2520 years" (of 360-days) from 518bc (Temple rebuilding, which makes "Jerusalem" pertinent) TO 1967 (Jerusalem regained)


... and I think there are some further "connections" (time-wise) which I don't have memorized, like the above-mentioned ones.


(y) [not mere "coincidence"!]


I'm forgetting what there is in "Zechariah" (??) that refers to the "SEVEN TIMES"... Would you mind refreshing my memory? (I don't have time to view the video just now... that'll have to wait till next week I think).




You don't have to respond... was just curious about the "Z--" reference, regarding the "7x" ( my brain-fog--->:sleep: lol )




Right. Thanks. = )
Sorry I misspoke, I meant Ezekiel and Leviticus.
 

Angela53510

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Stoned to death? lol....a little extreme, no? I guess you havent watch his past videos. They're compelling and the his math seems to add up.
Im not saying I am 100% expecting his prophecy to come true, but I certainly don't want to stone another Christian to death if he were wrong.
It seems like a lot of the new people have not read the OT, or at least very well! I was actually quoting the Old Testament, although I admit I didn't put quotes around it, or the address. So, I will remedy my failure to quote the important verses, as well as the lack of understanding of what the Old Testament says, below.

"You must follow the Lord your God and revere only him; and you must observe his commandments, obey him, serve him, and remain loyal to him. 5 As for that prophet or dreamer, he must be executed because he encouraged rebellion against the Lord your God who brought you from the land of Egypt, redeeming you from that place of slavery, and because he has tried to entice you from the way the Lord your God has commanded you to go. In this way you must purge evil from among you." Deut. 13:4-5

"Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again." Deut. 13:10-11

This covers idolatry. God considers it a very serious sin. So serious, that he told his people to STONE those who would lead his people astray! But what about false prophets? What does it say about them?

"The Lord said to me: “What they say is good. 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their fellow Israelites, and I will put my words in his mouth. He will tell them everything I command him. 19 I myself will call to account anyone who does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name. 20 But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, is to be put to death.”

21 You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the Lord?” 22 If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the Lord does not take place or come true, that is a message the Lord has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously, so do not be alarmed." Deut 18:7-21

So, put to death! But is this an exception, or are there more voices against false prophets?

"The word of the Lord came to me: 2 “Son of man, prophesy against the prophets of Israel who are now prophesying. Say to those who prophesy out of their own imagination: ‘Hear the word of the Lord! 3 This is what the Sovereign Lord says: Woe to the foolish prophets who follow their own spirit and have seen nothing! 4 Your prophets, Israel, are like jackals among ruins. 5 You have not gone up to the breaches in the wall to repair it for the people of Israel so that it will stand firm in the battle on the day of the Lord. 6 Their visions are false and their divinations a lie. Even though the Lord has not sent them, they say, “The Lord declares,” and expect him to fulfill their words. 7 Have you not seen false visions and uttered lying divinations when you say, “The Lord declares,” though I have not spoken?" Ezekiel 13:1-7

"10 “‘Because they lead my people astray, saying, “Peace,” when there is no peace, and because, when a flimsy wall is built, they cover it with whitewash, 11 therefore tell those who cover it with whitewash that it is going to fall. Rain will come in torrents, and I will send hailstones hurtling down, and violent winds will burst forth. 12 When the wall collapses, will people not ask you, “Where is the whitewash you covered it with?”

13 “‘Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: In my wrath I will unleash a violent wind, and in my anger hailstones and torrents of rain will fall with destructive fury. 14 I will tear down the wall you have covered with whitewash and will level it to the ground so that its foundation will be laid bare. When it falls, you will be destroyed in it; and you will know that I am the Lord. "Ezekiel 13:10-13

"But I see the prophets of Jerusalem
doing something just as shocking.
They are unfaithful to me
and continually prophesy lies.
So they give encouragement to people who are doing evil,
with the result that they do not stop their evildoing." Jeremiah 23:14

"This is what the Lord Almighty says:

“Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you;
they fill you with false hopes.
They speak visions from their own minds,
not from the mouth of the Lord.
17 They keep saying to those who despise me,
‘The Lord says: You will have peace.’
And to all who follow the stubbornness of their hearts
they say, ‘No harm will come to you.’
18 But which of them has stood in the council of the Lord
to see or to hear his word?
Who has listened and heard his word?
19 See, the storm of the Lord
will burst out in wrath,
a whirlwind swirling down
on the heads of the wicked.
20 The anger of the Lord will not turn back
until he fully accomplishes
the purposes of his heart.
In days to come
you will understand it clearly.
21 I did not send these prophets,
yet they have run with their message;
I did not speak to them,
yet they have prophesied.
22 But if they had stood in my council,
they would have proclaimed my words to my people
and would have turned them from their evil ways
and from their evil deeds." Jeremiah 23:16-22

“Therefore,” declares the Lord, “I am against the prophets who steal from one another words supposedly from me. 31 Yes,” declares the Lord, “I am against the prophets who wag their own tongues and yet declare, ‘The Lord declares.’ 32 Indeed, I am against those who prophesy false dreams,” declares the Lord. “They tell them and lead my people astray with their reckless lies, yet I did not send or appoint them. They do not benefit these people in the least,” declares the Lord." Jeremiah 23:30-32

In fact, the prophets declare warnings over and over, yet the people listen to the false prophets, whom God will destroy. Have you never read these verses? I know many of the false prophets in modern society prophecy lie, over and over. We are not to predict the future, and certainly not when Jesus will return. And people who believe these people, are just as bad as the false prophets.


So, the big question. Did I really mean false prophets should be destroyed or killed? I'm just following the Bible, after all! No, I would never condemn someone to death! It is not my place! That is God's prerogative. But, on the other hand, God has spoken strongly and in many places in the Bible about false prophets. Esp. those predicting the time when Christ will return. Or crying peace, peace when there is none. Or proclaiming lying words. This is not just about bad theology! This is about deliberately defying the living God. Who can stand and declare they know more than Jesus! NO ONE! And Jesus said he does not know when his return will come. But some false prophet comes along with a bunch of false theories, or perhaps calculations, and suddenly the man has many followers he is leading astray.

Biblically, I am correct to call for stoning or death for false prophets. It is God's solution for them. But, from a human side, I have spent the last 42 years following Christ, and trying to be more like him. Jesus could have killed all the Pharisees and Sadducees who were saying he was not God, not a prophet. But, he lived his life with love and peace, but still hating sin. I hate sin, too! That is what the Bible tells us to do! We are to tell people to repent of their sins, because sin destroys people. People who predict the future, are sinning. They need to repent of this sin. That is the message Jesus brought to us. But it was not a new message - the entire Old Testament is filled with this message.

I read both Hebrew and Greek. I have studied hermeneutics or Bible interpretation. I have read the Bible from cover to cover 55 times, in several languages and many translations. I've read the NT in Koine Greek many times. No where, do I ever see instructions from God, to predict when he is returning. The opposite, in fact! I detest how many people have been led astray by false prophets for centuries. But, in the present, people have only themselves to blame, for not reading their Bible daily for years and decades. Remember 3 chapters of the OT and 1 of the NT gets you through the Bible in a year. It's a new year, start now. Then you will not be so susceptible to these false prophets. Believe the Bible, not soothsayers!
 
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"So many preachers who should receive this punishment."

Doesn't hyperbolic to me.
There are lots of false teachers and preachers and so called prophets that lead so many astray. They are leading people into hell, which is far worse than being stoned to death. Its the worst sin on earth. Worse than mass murder, its mass damnation.