Do you observe the Sabbath?

gentiles were and are not under the Law. and were never commanded to keep the Sabbath.

you and the others can chirp and bend and twist all you want, you cannot change that Biblical and historical fact.

Are "those that change God's grace into a license to sin" necessarily from the group that profess God's grace or of those who profess works? as the chapter context of Jude 1 concludes with the exhortation, "keep yourselves in the love of God as you await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you eternal life (Jude 1:21)."?

Jude continues in v.22 saying, "And indeed, have mercy on those who doubt;"

and follows with v.24's assurance, "Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling [sure-footed] and to present you unblemished in His glorious presence, with great joy—" That speaks of an unshakeable faith in Christ.

Who is, v.25, "...the only God our Savior be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority through Jesus Christ our Lord before all time, and now, and for all eternity.
Amen."

The 10 commandments are given to Gentile Christians in the New Testament. You cannot change that historical fact no matter how much you bend and twist.

Those who are changing God’s grace into a license to sin would be those who are sinning and believing they have God’s grace to fall back on. Jude is refuting that.

Jude says, “4For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you.”

Their condemnation was written about long ago like the Judas who was doomed to destruction per prophecy.

They secretly slipped in among “you” as he was speaking to a congregation of saints. Slipping in secretly, Jude is saying they are dishonest and cunning. These people claiming to be able to sin while being covered by grace aren’t welcome.

This is likely a prophecy of the modern church. OSAS, easy believism, and free grace is everywhere.

What do you think of the modern church? Is it holy and righteous?

Those who are changing God's grace into a license to sin distort God's grace as the only means of salvation as if it were somehow used an excuse for those who profess grace to sin, and I use the grammar "as if it were" where it is evident that it is not. On the other hand, it seems that works salvation says one can be excused of their sin if he regrets it as if grace proponents are not grieved by their sin. Yet, blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted, and blessed are the pure in heart for they will see God.

Salavation is by the grace of God, provided you are trying to not sin, are repentant, and have faith.

You don’t get to willfully sin all day and keep your confession and grace card in your back pocket just to whip out before going to sleep and have your sins magically absolved. I hope that isn’t what you’re thinking. God’s grace won’t be abused.

Jude 1
4For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

interesting interpretation.

Let me ask you plainly to see if I can get to the bottom of what you believe. Do you believe a born again Christian can chose to abandon the faith with every fiber of his/her being, pledge allegiance to the devil for all eternity, and devote their life to the express purpose of sin, then appear in heaven with a welcome fit for a child of God?

You don’t have to answer it if you don’t want, but hyper grace adherents believe there is nothing you can do to lose salvation. This spawns the logical conclusion that if people have God’s grace then sin is irrelevant. Paul refuted it in Romans.

Salavation is by the grace of God, provided you are trying to not sin, are repentant, and have faith.

You don’t get to willfully sin all day and keep your confession and grace card in your back pocket just to whip out before going to sleep and have your sins magically absolved. I hope that isn’t what you’re thinking. God’s grace won’t be abused.

Jude 1
4For certain individuals whose condemnation was written about long ago have secretly slipped in among you. They are ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into a license for immorality and deny Jesus Christ our only Sovereign and Lord.

Not wanting any part of this conversation other than to say that one who believes in grace alone is also depending on that same grace to keep them in a state of perseverance. Thus, someone who appeared to be under grace but turned away would be seen as someone who had a form of godliness but without its power. Their profession, though at first was seemingly real and true, was not. They, in a sense, made a profession without true possession. The evidence for this is seen by the very fact that they turned away.
The parable of the sower tells of this type of person.
It shouldn't be a surprise that in our time so many are this way. A gospel message is delivered and those who listened are invited to approach an altar, given a few verses, and then pray a sinners prayer. Viola! They are told they are a Christian. I'm not saying that some aren't saved this way. Undoubtedly some are. But the aforementioned experience can be done by the Holy Spirit or simply by men.
So how can you tell the difference? You can't at first. Wheat and tares grow together. But over time, the true Christian will exhibit the fruit of Christ in them...the fruit of the Spirit.
Many make the mistake that if someone is busy in the service of God that that kind of person must certainly be saved. But Jesus said otherwise in Matthew 7:21-23...Many will say to me Lord, Lord...and yet they were sent away. If you look at their religious resumes, they put most Christians to shame. They had prophesied, cast out demons, and performed miracles. I'm sure their peers thought them shoe ins for heaven. But they were turned away. Why? Because Jesus didn't KNOW them. According to John 17:3...eternal life is knowing Him.
If you made it this far...kudos. I never intended to write this much. But I do hope at least someone who has read and was trusting in what they have done will prayerfully consider what it is to truly know God and Jesus. And perhaps, as one makes their calling and election sure, they look not to what they have done, but what Christ has wrought in you.

What’s an 8th day sabbath?

I for sure read it all. I’ve enjoyed reading Christian commentary for a long time and have a general interest in what people think, believe, and why. Thanks for replying. One thing I’m not certain about is that all apostates were never genuine converts to begin with. Is that surely true? I don’t know.

I’m going through a difficult time in my life right now. I won’t go into details, but I’m hanging on by a thread financially. As I was hanging my head low and my thoughts wondered about, wondering how I would eat, and much more, I heard someone tell me “don’t lose faith.” That’s all I needed to hear to renew my strength.

But what happens to those who aren’t thrown a lifeline or can’t see a light at the end of the tunnel?

Sunday

I thought Sunday was the 1st day of the week. Which day is the 1st day of the week?

They are distinct, some people have works and no faith some have faith and no works.

But real Godly faith can not exist with works.
Works naturally result from true faith.

The issue is what is Gods will.
I think it is Gods will to obey the moral law. You think it is Gods will to obey 9/10th of the moral law.
If you believed God wanted us to obey the 4th commandment, your fruits would be different.

Your point is always based on " the sabbath is only for the Jews".

Like i said the reason for it being made holy and blessed has not changed and the fact that Jesus said it was made for man (all mankind) makes it for everyone. The lack of written records does not make it void. GEN 2 is enough for me to know that it was made holy from the start.

Cheap grace...

Even the devil believes in Jesus.
The devil believes more about heaven and God then us because the devil has seen and experience lots of heavenly things.

Believing is not enough.

True faith = works. True love = works.

The works do not save.

Faith in Jesus saves but your faith will be seen by your fruits.

Mat 7:16-23
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? 17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Those that profess to be saved and work iniquity will be sad when Jesus comes.

I thought Sunday was the 1st day of the week. Which day is the 1st day of the week?

Yes they are distinct and faith is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. No fruit at all would demonstrate there is no root.

All genuine believers/those with authentic faith in Christ are fruitful, yet not all are equally fruitful. (Matthew 13:23)

Who said that keeping the sabbath day is a moral law that must be obeyed by the body of Christ under the new covenant? Paul did not say that in Colossians 2:16-17. How would my fruits be different by ignoring Colossians 2:16-17, then setting out to only keep part of the 4th commandment by resting on Saturday and ignoring the other rules and regulations that go along with keeping the sabbath day for the Israelites under the old covenant of law? I don't see that as a moral law, yet I see the moral aspect of the other nine commandments reiterated in the New Testament for Christians.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

Exodus 31:16-17 and Deuteronomy 5:15 were not clear enough for you?

What did the sabbath point to and what has changed from the old covenant to the new covenant? The death, burial and resurrection of Christ. Nobody is arguing against God blessing the seventh day in Genesis 2:3 and making it holy, yet the sabbath day is still a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. You don't seem to place as much emphasis on Christ (the substance) as you do the sabbath day (the shadow) and you still seem to have one foot in the old covenant plantation of law.

interesting interpretation.

Let me ask you plainly to see if I can get to the bottom of what you believe. Do you believe a born again Christian can chose to abandon the faith with every fiber of his/her being, pledge allegiance to the devil for all eternity, and devote their life to the express purpose of sin, then appear in heaven with a welcome fit for a child of God?

You don’t have to answer it if you don’t want, but hyper grace adherents believe there is nothing you can do to lose salvation. This spawns the logical conclusion that if people have God’s grace then sin is irrelevant. Paul refuted it in Romans.