Do you observe the Sabbath?

It is true that there are 3 main veiws.
Replace Saturday with sunday
Keep The 7th day holy.
Jesus is our sabbath rest.

i have lots of great sermons, i wish i could share but it isn't about the sermon or knowledge, it's about being willing to hear. Even with all the miricles Jesus did some people were not willing to except Him because He didn't fit their expectations.

Some people hear a sermon rejecting the Sabbath and they hang their belief on that hook for the rest of their lives.

True,
And Heb 8:10....."I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

In studying Colossians 2:14-17, we ought to pay some regard to the figures which the apostle uses. Noticed that the subject of the apostle’s remark is the “handwriting of ordinances.” This expression will not apply in any sense to the ten commandments; for no abuse of language can be carried far enough to allow us to call them a “handwriting;” and they contained not a singe “ordinance,” or ceremony. The “handwriting of ordinances” is not the ten commandments. The apostle further says that this “handwriting” was “blotted out.” It can only be blotted out with the ink and pen of the scribe, which has been written by the hand of the scribe. That which is engraved in stone might be brushed over and discolored with ink; but the engraving would be there in all its distinctness still; it could not in any sense be “blotted out,” and it would be utterly inconsistent to apply that term to it.

The apostle continues that this handwriting was “nailed to the cross.” If we attempt to apply this to the ten commandments, we involve the astute and logical Paul in the absurdity of talking about nailing up tables of stone. Against such an idea there are two objections: 1. That which was designed (by the all seeing God) to be annulled by being nailed up after the ancient manner of parchment laws, would not have been put upon such material as stone, in the first place; and, 2. Having been engraved on stone, the proper way to annul them, if they had to be annulled, would be to break the stone tablets, not to try the absurd and impossible feat of nailing them up.

The figure of blotting out and nailing up the laws written by men upon parchment, as applied to what Christ accomplished by his death upon the cross, is at once consistent and forcible. Christ was nailed to the cross. In him all offerings met their antitype, all shadows their substance. They were there nailed in him to the cross. Men could look upon him and say, Here is the great sacrifice which supersedes all typical offerings. The laws for these are now no longer in force; they are nailed with him to the cross.

But suppose we try to consider that the tables of stone were also there, in him, nailed to the cross; in what respect was he the antitype of them?
In what respect were they the shadows and he the substance? Could men look upon him and say, Now, to-night I will plunge a dagger into the heart of my enemy; for the law, “Thou shalt not kill,” is there in Christ nailed to the cross, and is no longer binding?

But some might say....if the book of the law was nailed to the cross, then the ten commandments were nailed to the cross; for they were all in that book, word for word; and the doing away of the book did them away also. Whoever makes such an assertion, has certainly been very heedless in his reading of the book. It is not true. The ten commandments nowhere appear in the books of Moses in legislative form; that is, in a form to drive their authority in any degree from the book. They are but once recorded in set form, as God spoke them, and that is in Exodus 20:3-17. And this is historical and not legislative; it is simply a narrative that God did come down and give that law from Sinai with his own voice; but the law derived no authority from this narrative. Its authority rested upon the fact that it had been spoken by God, and written with his finger upon the tables of stone, and deposited in the holiest spot of the most holy place of the sanctuary. And though every copy of the book containing this narrative had been destroyed and put out of existence, it would not have affected in the least the fact of the promulgation of that law, nor have touched the tables containing the legislative transcript of the same. What is here stated will apply also to Moses’ rehearsal and paraphrase of the law forty years later, as recorded in Deuteronomy 5:6

With the law of Moses it was not so. That was promulgated through the book, and its authority was derived from that record. It had no position elsewhere, and when that handwriting was nailed to the cross, nothing of it longer remained.

Are you talking about the foundation stones of that wall or the western wall itself?

Thanks for that verse.

That is where Matthew has welded the two events together.

Luke separates them.

Your making a mistake in quoting that verse.

The onus is on you to explain the age of the Gentiles and Jerusalem being trodden underfoot.

Why are our translations different.

Colossians 2:14
Having canceled the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us, which was hostile to us; and He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

Mine says 'decrees' and your translation says 'ordinances'.

That's one reason we differ in our understanding of Colossians 2:14.

The second is the decrees were hostile to us. After all, the law does condemn us.

What was nailed to the cross was 'the certificate of debt'.

This debate was nipped in the bud a long time ago.

Acts 15 clearly tells the Gentiles the 4 rules they must obey.

You say that Gentiles must follow the ten commandments and that is not stated in the New Testament.

Yet, I clearly have the four rules written down in Acts 15.

This hasn’t happened yet:

Matthew 24
15“So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’ spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand—

If verse 15 happened, then this would have happened:

21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now—and never to be equaled again.

Thus, Jesus expects this from Christians in the present day:

20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath.

I don’t need to go into specifics about this and that. I just need to prove that a distress so great, unequaled since the beginning of the world, hasn’t happened yet; Jesus’ infallible words. Therefore, Jesus was speaking of the future where the Sabbath is still in effect during a time of great distress. i.e., in the present day the literal sunset to sunset Sabbath day of rest to honor God is still a commandment since this time of great distress hasn’t happened yet.

If you don't mind me asking, where do you attend church?

I'll preface this by saying that just because something was in the Old Covenant and the Old Covenant was canceled, it doesn't mean bits and pieces of the Old cannot be found in the New Covenant.

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References for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the new covenant, yet the command to keep the Sabbath day is not binding on Christians under the new covenant.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 2:7
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

For example, in Luke 23:55,56 disciples of Jesus are still observing the Sabbath after Jesus' death. Apparently, Jesus never forbade Sabbath keeping or made it a point to tell them they don't need to keep it. Luke wrote this approximately 30 years or so after the death and resurrection of Jesus, still referring to the Sabbath as a commandment after the New Covenant had already been in effect by the blood of Christ.

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Yes, I have heard this argument before from SDA's. I'm sure these Israelites did rest on the Sabbath in obedience to the commandment. You can't expect the transition from law to grace for the Israelites to happen overnight. So they rested on the Sabbath here in obedience to the commandment, but what does that really prove?

The disciples did not yet understood Jesus' death: Matthew 16:21-22
They did not yet understood His crucifixion: Luke 18:31-34
They did not yet understood He would be raised from the dead: John 20:9
They did not yet understood the second coming: John 13:36-37
They did not know He was going to heaven: John 14:2-5

It took time for the transition from law to grace to happen for the Israelites.

Colossians 2:14 - Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Ephesians 2:15 - Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace.

The "handwriting of ordinances" in these verses can only be a description of the tables of the testimony (Exod. 31:18; 34:27-29), or the Ten Commandments. They are called tables of testimony because, as the terms of the Old Covenant, the Ten Commandments written on the tables, they testify against sin and rebellion. That testimony must be righteously silenced before anyone can approach God. The so-called ceremonial law could not be called "the handwriting of ordinances that was against us." Removal of 'the ceremonial law' is not the ground of forgiveness and acceptance with God. This passage's context is salvation through the atonement of Christ. It is not discussing freedom from the 'ceremonial laws.' If this passage is reduced to refer to merely ceremonial laws, then our blessed Lord shed his blood just so his people could eat bacon with eggs and be free from all the Jewish ceremonial feasts. That would be a distorted view of both the atonement and the great gospel liberty that it purchased.

http://www.sabbatismos.com/the-sabbath/sign-of-the-mosaic-covenant/#sthash.9IohOff7.hXq74MWF.dpbs

"However, Taylor points out the incredulous nature of Bacchiocchi’s explanation: “These religious holidays, including the Sabbath, were symbols pointing forward to Jesus. They were typological prefigurations of Jesus. How could the perversion of a symbol be a shadow or prefiguration of Christ?” Galatians 2 says to basically avoid human teachings/traditions/commands. The Sabbath isn't a human teaching because it's from God.

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Perversion of a symbol?

"A further indication that the fourth commandment is not a binding moral institution lies in the fact that Sabbath-breaking is never mentioned as a sin in the New Testament, nor is it listed as a moral responsibility."

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I'm yet to find sabbath-breaking as a sin for the body of Christ in the New Testament. Maybe you can point that verse out to me.

Hebrews 4 refers to the Sabbath as a calendar day, literally the time and space between dawn and dark.

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In regards to Hebrews 4:9, 'Sabbatismos' is only used once in the Bible and is properly translated "sabbath rest," yet in context in Hebrews 4, we can see the author of Hebrews is attaching to the sabbath a new and expanded meaning beyond that of sabbaton, which is otherwise used to denote the weekly sabbath day under the law.

*Had the writer of Hebrews wanted to indicate the 7th day sabbath, he would have used sabbaton, the standard word for sabbath, but he didn't. The whole context is about rest, so sabbatismos must be understood as "sabbath rest" in an expanded meaning beyond that of sabbaton, as WE Vine's correctly points out.

Sabbath rest (4520) (sabbatismos from sabbatízo = keep the Sabbath) literally means a keeping of a sabbath or a keeping of days of rest. It is used in this passage not in the literal sense (meaning to keep a specific day, the "Sabbath" day) but to describe a period of rest for God’s people which is modeled after and is a fulfillment of the traditional Sabbath.

SABBATISMOS a Sabbath-keeping, is used in Heb 4:9, R.V., "a Sabbath rest," A.V. marg., "a keeping of a Sabbath" (akin to sabbatizoµ, to keep the Sabbath, used, e.g., in Ex. 16:30, not in the N.T.); here the Sabbath-keeping is the perpetual Sabbath rest to be enjoyed uninterruptedly by believers in their fellowship with the Father and the Son, in contrast to the weekly Sabbath under the Law.

Do you consider sabbath keeping for Christians a deal breaker in regards to receiving eternal life? Seventh Day Adventists teach the ludicrous doctrine that near the end of time the "mark of the best" of Revelation 14 will be placed upon those who worship on Sunday instead of Saturday. For an SDA to give up weekly sabbath keeping is essentially giving up salvation.

Mark of the Beast

Establish the law does not mean we are under the law. Paul was slandered as someone who spoke against the law and that is his response to that baseless accusation. How do we establish or uphold the law? By placing our faith in Jesus who kept the law perfectly and by whose perfect sacrifice we are made righteous.

The Israelites failed the 10 commandments and it became a ministry of death. (Romans 10:1-4; 2 Corinthians 3:6-9)

Which law?

Colossians 2 includes the weekly sabbath day in verse 16 and we are not under the 10 commandments from the old covenant of law.

The Sabbath was for the Israelites (Exodus 31:13-17; Deuteronomy 5:15) Are you an Israelite under the law? If you don't mind me asking, where do you attend church?

I don't believe that Sunday (which focuses on the resurrection of Christ) has replaced Saturday as the new sabbath day and I also don't believe that the Church/the body of Christ is commanded to keep the 7th day holy, since that was a command for the Israelites under the old covenant of law. I do believe we find our "sabbatismos" rest in Christ in contrast with keeping the weekly sabbath day under the law. I'm still waiting for you to show me scripture from the New Testament in which the Church/the body of Christ is commanded to keep the sabbath day holy, along with instructions on how that's done today. I'll be waiting. There were a lot of rules and regulations that went along with sabbath keeping for the Israelites under the old covenant of law.

Yep.... Jesus said to keep his commandments..... and he gave us TWO, when asked..... Love the Lord God with all our hearts, and love our neighbor/brother as we do ourselves.
ALL the Law and Prophets are covered with those two commands....

I don't attend a SDA church, if that's what you're getting at, nor would I. I've never been to a church that teaches the Sabbath requirement. I only recently began believing in the Sabbath within the last week.

We went through most of these points I think so I won't go round in circles rehashing the same rebuttals. I don't see the Sabbath has been abolished or replaced. Period.

It doesn't make sense that the Sabbath has been effectively crucified via being nailed to the cross. I'm of the mindset that if it's okay to abandon the Sabbath then Christians should be able to violate all of the 10 Commandments with a clear conscience and a smile. Obviously it's evil to say Christ legalized killing, lying, adultery, stealing, etc, but saying the "law was nailed to the cross" and using that to say the Sabbath is void, one must accept that it's okay to kill as well, regardless of whatever else Paul said to the contrary.

As far as someone not getting eternal life for not keeping the Sabbath, I can't nor won't attempt to answer that question. I know it depends if God wants to give them eternal life, but I'm not the judge of that. Who we are now is who we will be in eternity. Some people think we'll be transformed into a perfect person, but I don't think so. If we're repentant and teachable during judgement, when we're getting all of our sins called out, then there's a chance. Yes, our sins will be discussed.

Romans 2
7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

Luke 18
9To some who were confident of their own righteousness and looked down on everyone else, Jesus told this parable: 10“Two men went up to the temple to pray, one a Pharisee and the other a tax collector. 11The Pharisee stood by himself and prayed: ‘God, I thank you that I am not like other people—robbers, evildoers, adulterers—or even like this tax collector. 12I fast twice a week and give a tenth of all I get.’
13“But the tax collector stood at a distance. He would not even look up to heaven, but beat his breast and said, ‘God, have mercy on me, a sinner.’
14“I tell you that this man, rather than the other, went home justified before God. For all those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted.”

Jesus' conversation with the thief, ''today I tell you'', pertained to Jesus telling the thief that day that he would be with Jesus in paradise.
The thief upon his own death would indeed behave entered paradise as Jesus promised. This doesn't mean that was conditioned on Jesus accompanying him.

Being with Jesus in paradise, heaven, is eternal. The thief would be with Jesus there whenever Jesus returned to paradise.

Jesus speaking to Mary Magdalene three days after His crucifixion "I have not yet ascended to My Father.", in John 20.

After his resurrection Jesus ministered for another 40 days. Then ascended to heaven where the thief, as Jesus promised him was. And is now with Jesus there.

The commands. While Jesus said the Sabbath was made by God for us.Not that we were made for the Sabbath.

Sabbath is God's gift to us.

Unless someone is involved in the processing of meat, I don't see how someone would know. I assume I don't.

Who is "us"? (Exodus 20:2,8-11,22; 31:16-17; 35:1-3; Deuteronomy 5:15)

So the old covenant has not been made obsolete by the new covenant? (2 Corinthians 3:6-9; Hebrews 8:13) Is the new covenant simply the old covenant repackaged? Sabbath keeping (with all it's rules and regulations) was part of a covenant with Israel (Exodus 16:23, 29; 31:12-18; 35:1-3; Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3, 32; Numbers 15:32-36; 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13; Amos 8:5; Nehemiah 10:31) that is not binding on Christians under the new covenant. (Colossians 2:16-17)

That is a typical straw man argument made by sabbatarians, yet references for the moral aspect of 9 of the 10 commandments are reiterated under the new covenant. Under your logic, nothing has changed and the old covenant remains in force.

1. You shall have no other gods before Me. - Acts 14:15
2. You shall make no idols. - 1 John 5:21
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain. - 1 Timothy 6:1; James 5:12
4. Keep the Sabbath day holy. - Not binding on the Church - Colossians 2:16-17
5. Honor your father and your mother. - Ephesians 6:1-2
6. You shall not murder. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 John 3:15
7. You shall not commit adultery. - Romans 13:9-10; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
8. You shall not steal. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 4:28
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor. - Romans 13:9-10; Colossians 3:9-10
10. You shall not covet. - Romans 13:9-10; Ephesians 5:3

How would you answer the question, "what must I do to receive eternal life?" The answer to that question is found in Acts 16:31 - Believe on/in the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.. I hope you are not of those who teach salvation by works, which is clearly refuted in scripture. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:2-6; 5:1; 11:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9 etc..).

Notice that ALL who receive eternal life are described as such, everyone who does good (vs. 10). Good deeds flow from a heart that is saved and evil deeds flow from a heart that is unsaved. Verse 8 - but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath. Notice that ALL who do not receive eternal life are described as such, everyone who does evil (vs. 9). Be careful not to confuse 'descriptive' passages of scripture with 'prescriptive' passages of scripture. The end result of that can easily culminate in salvation by works.

Those who trust in their works for salvation (The Pharisees were a prime example of this) are confident of their own self righteousness and look down on everyone else. Israel in general had this same problem. (Romans 10:1-4)

If you use Colossians 2:16-17, which you're interpreting incorrectly, to say that the Sabbath is void because it was nailed to a cross and crucified, then you must also include all of the other commandments being voided. Following your theology, murder and adultery are no longer sins and you're free to go do them at will.

Regardless of whatever else is written about no murder or adultery in other passages, you must admit that since the law has been crucified, as you say, then it doesn't matter what those other verses/passages say to the contrary.

If you try to tell me "murder is a sin" I can use Colossians 2:16-17 to prove that it isn't. As you and I both know, murder is still a sin. That means you're interpreting the Bible incorrectly with an anti-Sabbath bias.

Furthermore, the plain text reading of Colossians 2 doesn't void the Sabbath. What has been voided is practically everything else aside from the 10 Commandments.

Finally, Hebrews 4 plainly states the literal Sabbath is still in effect and is an act of disobedience to not keep it.

Hebrews 4
9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, e just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

Obeying God isn't works-based salvation. Works-based salvation is following your own way, or the way of others, in order to gain God's favor and that isn't what God is impressed with.

Obeying God pleases God and it's good and is required for salvation; faith is only the first step of obedience in an eternal journey. That we don't have to obey God, that we can sin as much as we want, that the can abandon the faith after believing for a short time, that we can fully-convince ourselves and others that obeying God is somehow an error that leads to death, is a demonic deception in the church.

Romans 2
7To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life. 8But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger.

Philippians 2
12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.