Sunday worship / Christmas / Easter and all the rest....

I notice that you completely missed the part in Exodus where the people were instructed NOT to collect manna on the Sabbath, because the provision from the previous day was enough and would last.

Sabbath was not primarily about equality, or about helping people, or sharing. It was about resting because God rested, and because humans need the rest, and because God said so. Yes, Jesus healed people on the Sabbath, but I sense in your post a tendency to make the appropriate activities of the Sabbath just another set of "must do's" that are completely antithetical to the original concept of Sabbath rest.

Thanks for pointing out that no manna fell on the Sabbath.

I think you are reading into what am I saying. Jesus said, It is lawful to do good. And as I irretirated before that you have different assumption about the Sabbath. It was not primarily for rest.

It was not burdensome day or day of idleness good for yourself. It was not made for selfish pleasure. It ought to be blessing for us and other people, we come into contact with. It is definitely not about ourselves and that is the character we need to develop that nothing is about ourselves.

In heaven, there will be no selfish people, why not start to practice it here.

Simply put, your statements about the purpose of the sabbath are not rooted in Scripture.

You clearly not understanding. There are other aspects to the Sabbath other than just resting.

And I have shared with you the scriptures. And the perfect example, would be Jesus Christ. If you want deeper understanding of Sabbath, go and read the what Jesus did on the Sabbath.

You are getting confused with the Sabbath of the Pharisees.

God made the Sabbath a delight. Humans give the assumption that it is worrysome day and restricted. It is a sercice of love.

Isaiah 58
13 If thou turn away thy foot from the sabbath, from doing thy pleasure on my holy day; and call the sabbath a delight, the holy of the LORD, honourable; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:
14 Then shalt thou delight thyself in the LORD; and I will cause thee to ride upon the high places of the earth, and feed thee with the heritage of Jacob thy father: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

I sincerely pray that God will open up your understanding.

It's pretty much common knowledge with anyone that takes their faith even half seriously that Jesus wasn't born around Dec 25. I'm surprised you still think everyone else believes that and you're one of the few enlightened.
But, really, everyone has different strengths and weaknesses. I would have honestly never figured that out on my own. Those are not things I tend to focus on or do well at. That's why those who can share.

How are you not attempting to poke at people or start arguements when you label everyone else "brainwashed"?
Is not the humble person open to learning rather than talks down about how clueless everyone else is. Perhaps a knowledgable person will say that, but not a wise one.

I don't know the exact day Jesus was born. And guess what? It's not really important. If people choose to celebrate his birthday at the wrong time, so what? Does it really matter? Or change anything? Do you believe Jesus is offended? Does it affect your life? Your walk? Your faith?

People are so eager to run around boasting about what they know and how ignorant everyone else is on the most insignificant things. Ironic.

Good evening ,

You will know them by thier fruits , I’m not saying I’m perfect nor better then you or anyone .
I fall short like everyone else , but in my heart know the truth.... how most who claim to know Christ miss this? So leaves one to wonder do they know the father as they claim .

Sunday is not stated in the bible as the sabbath nor is Saturday by name that is , but it is said rest on the 7th day and from my knowledge which is from man I grant you that , as I was not around since the beginning to know it as true fact , but Saturday is the 7th day , and to top that the Catholic Church decided to change it to Sunday , which they didn’t actually change but seem to have lead everyone away from Saturday ..... that in it self should be a big red flag for all christians man has no power to change Gods laws or word add to it or subtract from it.

All commandments are equal but the sabbath stands out , it’s the longest and one could argue there’s more then one rule or law in it . But instead of using that mentality look at it as a whole and it was designed for us and if the world just listened wow would it be a world of difference .

I consider my self a simple man , and I think that’s why I can see things more clear I accept what the bible and Jesus has said , rather then fight it and try to find a fault in it which is not possible.

Let me ask you this .....

What is a church ? Or the real definition Jesus means by it ?
It’s not a fancy building , it’s not a idol to worship , it’s a group of believers gathering under his name and grace , to share and talk about the Lord.

Crosses , pictures and sculptures of so called angels and Jesus is all wrong and goes against scripture .
Some of these churches are decked out beyond belief with gold and so on , and there’s starving ppl . Where’s the money going , just open your eyes it’s plain as day light.

Churches try to put a priest or something between you and good some what do a mediator which again is not right and the list goes on.

Kinda off topic but this church hillsong or whatever , prime example of a apostate church , preacher is tatted up , out in bars etc.. is this someone who you want teaching the gospel , is he a true representative of Jesus , not judging , but not blind. I call it how I see it . To Joel olstein preaching peace and prosperity , and the list goes on , ppl just eat this stuff up and don’t research or anything , and fall victim to itchy ears .

The deception and false teaching hasnt been this bad , even his very elect may be decieved.

agree 100% with this

Pagan Christmas zombie thread, back from the graaaaaaaaave!

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We haven't had many "Christmas is pagan!" threads this year. In fact we haven't had ANY in some forums. So we must resort to the Halloween tradition of digging up zombie threads to fill the gap.

believe it or not, just a couple of days ago, i was thinking " where are all the Christmas is pagan posts?"

believe it or not, just a couple of days ago, i was thinking " where are all the Christmas is pagan posts?"

All I’m saying as it is a commandment yet most Christian’s ain’t aware of it or if they are they follow on a Sunday which is not Jesus day. I think the biggest issue behind this is we don’t read our bibles if we did we wouldn’t miss this stuff instead we go to a church listen to a “man” give us his ideas and we trust him cause he’s holding a bible and maybe if your lucky pulls a few versus from it . The Lord says trust no man , yet we do the opposite.

So before I begin this isn’t to start a argument , poke at anyone , or create confusion . I know where I stand and curious to how so many Christians are still following the pagan ways and traditions of man.

I will start with Christmas , I personally don’t believe Jesus was born on the said day man follows , 25th . As the bible does not state this as well if you look at New Years , it’s followed on the 1st of Jan in the dead of winter please anyone tell me what’s new then! If you said nothing your right, Bible states this one clearly , “new bud ,new year” spring time is the new year and when you think about it logically completely makes sense.

Man has been so brainwashed sometimes I can’t believe it .

Moving on to the Sabbath day , this one is truly a doozy.
I want to put it this way as an example.... Mans law says we shouldn’t steal , you as a good citizen follow all the rules but steal every week , what I’m getting at is the sabbath is a commandment yet most ignore it, aren’t aware of its significance or don’t follow as it don’t fit there wants or needs or what have you .
All I’m saying as it is a commandment yet most Christian’s ain’t aware of it or if they are they follow on a Sunday which is not Jesus day. I think the biggest issue behind this is we don’t read our bibles if we did we wouldn’t miss this stuff instead we go to a church listen to a “man” give us his ideas and we trust him cause he’s holding a bible and maybe if your lucky pulls a few versus from it . The Lord says trust no man , yet we do the opposite. Just FYI I’m guilty as most I do try to keep it but don’t always keep it holy . It’s funny when you look at Friday night and Saturday’s that’s when everything “ cool “ happens , all the parties , new movie releases and the list goes on . Do you think this is a accident ? No it’s not.

The devil is here to take you away from Jesus by any means , most of us this is easily accomplished but temptations of all types . For those of us who follow the sabbath I noticed he does what he can to get you to break it , for me I’m having a hard time finding work now as I don’t work saturdays and in my line of work oncall is a big part , been over a year now and I could of been working but because I will not sacrifice the sabbath I have not since. It’s been a battle , tears and all. But I will not give it up even if that means death .

The sabbath is how one grows closer to Jesus , so when someone says there close to him and does not follow I find it hard to believe . There’s only one God Jesus and one way how are we at a place so divided and so confused on what path to take as there’s only two death and everlasting life. Broad and narrow.

I can see how over the years the devil got he’s greasy little claws on literally everything and twisted/ perverted it to make it pleasing to man and quote easier to follow unquote. We are in the end days everyone we need to wake up . Jesus is to be acknowledged everyday but especially on the sabbath , the devils seal is the mark the Lords seal is received by following his word and obeying the sabbath.

If we can be lead astray but something as silly as Christmas I can’t imagine how many will fall with the great deception coming.

Much love to you all may the Lord speak to you and show you his way ....

Just looking to hear ppls thoughts on this not looking to get into heated discussions

Feel like splitting hairs over which day is the Sabbath is just being pedantic.
It's probably just most people are off work on Sunday so that's the day this most convenient for people to go to church

Likewise, I don't let followers of Ellen G White judge me according to her writings.

Spoken like a true atheist. I suspect that for God it is more than pedantic.