Separation of Church and State: Is it Biblical?

So, in recent times, we've heard an idea called "separation of Church and State". Firstly, this means different things to different people. For e.g. after the Bolshevik Communists took over Russia (which was formerly a Christian Country), they decreed a Separation of Church and State: "The Decree on Separation of Church from State and School from Church (Russian: Декрет об отделении церкви от государства и школы от церкви) is a legal act adopted by the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic on January 20 (February 2), 1918 came into force on January 23 (February 5) of the same year, on the day of official publication.[1][2] It installed the secular nature of the state power, proclaimed the freedom of conscience and religion; religious organizations were deprived of any property rights and the rights of a legal entity. It laid the foundation for the deployment of atheistic propaganda and atheistic education.[3]"

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_on_Separation_of_Church_and_State

So this was in the Communist Revolution. It is an absolute travesty that these things are not known and popularized in the West.

"The state advocated the destruction of religion, and to achieve this goal, it officially denounced religious beliefs as superstitious and backward.[3][4] The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues,[5] and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism", with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers.[6][7] According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.[8][9]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

So, even according to Wikipedia, some 12 to 20 Million CHRISTIANS died under the Communist USSR. Yet who speaks of this today? And so, the point here is, "Separation of Church and State" is not necessarily so benign as most western Christians think it is. It's a de-Christianizing tactic of anti-Christians. It's only been possible because Christendom is so tragically divided and fragmented.

In the West, like in America, "separation of the Church and State" usually means the government should not persecute Christians, which is fine. Christians too should never persecute anyone, either other Christians, or other religions, or even atheists. However, why are we so weak today? Most of the Christian Countries are being rapidly de-Christianized. My opinion is Separation of Church and State plays a part.

So let's study the issue: was there separation of Church (or Synagogue if you will) and State in Israel? Did Priests and Princes/Kings work separately? No! This is the advantage of having only One Church, or one Pastoral/Priestly Hierarchy - not 100+denominations. Some verses:

1 Samuel 16:1, 11-13: Kings were appointed by Priests - King David by the Pastor, Priest and Prophet Samuel:

"1Now the LORD said to Samuel, “How long are you going to mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and go. I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem, for I have selected from his sons a king for Myself.” ...

11So he asked Jesse, "Are these all the sons you have?" "There is still the youngest," Jesse answered, "but he is tending the sheep." Samuel said, "Send for him; we will not sit down until he arrives."12So he sent and had him brought in. He was ruddy, with a fine appearance and handsome features. Then the LORD said, "Rise and anoint him; he is the one."13So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah."

Now, in medieval times, most European Countries were Christian Kingdoms. Kings and Queens reigned in the Name of Jesus and the Holy Trinity. Even today, the Church of England is officially not separated from the State. During Queen Elizabeth's funeral, that was evident.

But my questions is, (1) Is Church and State Separation or Unison better and more Biblical? (2) Does lack of Christian Unity play a part - if the Christian Churches re-united again, could we go back to the Biblical Model in Israel? (3) Does Separation of Church and State lead in time to the State becomning practically Atheistic or Agnostic, as has arguably happened in much of the West? Questions to consider.

Thoughts? God Bless.

So, in recent times, we've heard an idea called "separation of Church and State".

But my questions is, (1) Is Church and State Separation or Unison better and more Biblical?

our constitution was made for a only for a moral and religious people. it is wholly inadequate to any other- John Adams.

The Lord Jesus Christ said that people are to render to Caesar (the state) what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.

As long as Israel was a theocracy -- with God Himself as King and Ruler -- God told the nation of Israel what to do and what not to do. But once they clamored for a human king, that changed everything and led to the captivities of both the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah.

Much later the church of Rome began to dominate Europe in the West and the Eastern Orthodox Church dominated in the East. But that did not necessarily bode well for genuine Christians.

When the United States was established there was wisdom in saying that the State must not establish any religion. But by the 20th century the religion of the State was Liberalism/Progressivism and by the 21st century it has become outright Communism. So the State does have a religion which persecutes Christianity, and Communism/Fascism is now the State religion throughout the Western world. Freedom and democracy are things of the past. Without free and fair elections there can be no true democracy or liberty.

Did you know that Thomas Jefferson used public funds to print Bibles for the
American Indian tribes? Did you know that they wanted a generic (non-sectarian)
form of Christianity (or at least the Bible) taught in public schools?

Are you referring to the Jefferson Bible?

Jefferson never referred to his work as a Bible, and the full title of this 1804 version was The
Philosophy of Jesus of Nazareth, being Extracted from the Account of His Life and Doctrines
Given by Matthew, Mark, Luke and John; Being an Abridgement of the New Testament for the
Use of the Indians, Unembarrased [uncomplicated] with Matters of Fact or Faith beyond the
Level of their Comprehensions. It was completed in 1820 by cutting and pasting with a razor
and glue numerous sections from the New Testament as extractions of the doctrine of Jesus.
Jefferson's condensed composition excludes all miracles by Jesus and most mentions of the
supernatural, including sections of the four gospels that contain the Resurrection and most
other miracles, and passages that portray Jesus as divine. source

The Founding Fathers never dreamt that a criminal syndicate would hijack the government of the United States. The Constitution has been abolished and the rule of law does not exist any more. So now the USA must face divine wrath and judgment, especially since it has become a modern Sodom and Gomorrah.

In the US, we need another great awakening period. I implore everyone here to pray for this.

The Lord Jesus Christ said that people are to render to Caesar (the state) what is Caesar's and to God what is God's.

As long as Israel was a theocracy -- with God Himself as King and Ruler -- God told the nation of Israel what to do and what not to do. But once they clamored for a human king, that changed everything and led to the captivities of both the kingdom of Israel and the kingdom of Judah.

When the United States was established there was wisdom in saying that the State must not establish any religion. But by the 20th century the religion of the State was Liberalism/Progressivism and by the 21st century it has become outright Communism. So the State does have a religion which persecutes Christianity, and Communism/Fascism is now the State religion throughout the Western world. Freedom and democracy are things of the past. Without free and fair elections there can be no true democracy or liberty.

I think, as Gojira said, it's possible to be both (Biblically/generically) Christian as well as grant religious freedom to all.

So, in recent times, we've heard an idea called "separation of Church and State". Firstly, this means different things to different people. For e.g. after the Bolshevik Communists took over Russia (which was formerly a Christian Country), they decreed a Separation of Church and State: "The Decree on Separation of Church from State and School from Church (Russian: Декрет об отделении церкви от государства и школы от церкви) is a legal act adopted by the Council of People's Commissars of the Russian Soviet Federative Socialist Republic on January 20 (February 2), 1918 came into force on January 23 (February 5) of the same year, on the day of official publication.[1][2] It installed the secular nature of the state power, proclaimed the freedom of conscience and religion; religious organizations were deprived of any property rights and the rights of a legal entity. It laid the foundation for the deployment of atheistic propaganda and atheistic education.[3]"

From: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decree_on_Separation_of_Church_and_State

So this was in the Communist Revolution. It is an absolute travesty that these things are not known and popularized in the West.

"The state advocated the destruction of religion, and to achieve this goal, it officially denounced religious beliefs as superstitious and backward.[3][4] The Communist Party destroyed churches, synagogues,[5] and mosques, ridiculed, harassed, incarcerated and executed religious leaders, flooded the schools and media with anti-religious teachings, and it introduced a belief system called "scientific atheism", with its own rituals, promises and proselytizers.[6][7] According to some sources, the total number of Christian victims under the Soviet regime has been estimated to range around 12 to 20 million.[8][9]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Soviet_Union

So, even according to Wikipedia, some 12 to 20 Million CHRISTIANS died under the Communist USSR. Yet who speaks of this today? And so, the point here is, "Separation of Church and State" is not necessarily so benign as most western Christians think it is. It's a de-Christianizing tactic of anti-Christians. It's only been possible because Christendom is so tragically divided and fragmented.

In the West, like in America, "separation of the Church and State" usually means the government should not persecute Christians, which is fine. Christians too should never persecute anyone, either other Christians, or other religions, or even atheists. However, why are we so weak today? Most of the Christian Countries are being rapidly de-Christianized. My opinion is Separation of Church and State plays a part.

So let's study the issue: was there separation of Church (or Synagogue if you will) and State in Israel? Did Priests and Princes/Kings work separately? No! This is the advantage of having only One Church, or one Pastoral/Priestly Hierarchy - not 100+denominations. Some verses:

1 Samuel 16:1, 11-13: Kings were appointed by Priests - King David by the Pastor, Priest and Prophet Samuel:

"1Now the LORD said to Samuel, “How long are you going to mourn for Saul, since I have rejected him as king over Israel? Fill your horn with oil and go. I am sending you to Jesse of Bethlehem, for I have selected from his sons a king for Myself.” ...

11So he asked Jesse, "Are these all the sons you have?" "There is still the youngest," Jesse answered, "but he is tending the sheep." Samuel said, "Send for him; we will not sit down until he arrives."12So he sent and had him brought in. He was ruddy, with a fine appearance and handsome features. Then the LORD said, "Rise and anoint him; he is the one."13So Samuel took the horn of oil and anointed him in the presence of his brothers, and from that day on the Spirit of the LORD came upon David in power. Samuel then went to Ramah."

Now, in medieval times, most European Countries were Christian Kingdoms. Kings and Queens reigned in the Name of Jesus and the Holy Trinity. Even today, the Church of England is officially not separated from the State. During Queen Elizabeth's funeral, that was evident.

But my questions is, (1) Is Church and State Separation or Unison better and more Biblical? (2) Does lack of Christian Unity play a part - if the Christian Churches re-united again, could we go back to the Biblical Model in Israel? (3) Does Separation of Church and State lead in time to the State becomning practically Atheistic or Agnostic, as has arguably happened in much of the West? Questions to consider.

Thoughts? God Bless.

That was the plan, as best I understand it, from my reading to date. They wouldn't arrest a Buddhist, for example, but they felt that a general acceptance of Christianity was essential to the survival of the nation. And, they were right.

I do not know which version he had printed and distributed. And, it doesn't really matter as it doesn't affect my point.