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Ah yes, we have a few of... Ahem... That particular church organization... In my area. They always seem to be ready for an argument, even deliberately seeking arguments. Their conversation is always loaded with bait to start argum... ah, "discussions" so they can loudly state their views. As if we missed their views the first 300 times.
Three things I will point out though:
1 - I can't see where doing without musical instruments does them any actual harm, so I just avoid talking to them when I can and decline to debate when I have to talk to them.
2 - As Paul once said, if you do something believing it is wrong - even if there's nothing really wrong with it - to you it is a sin, because you are deliberately doing something you think is wrong. So not only is there no profit in arguing with them, there can be actual harm.
3 - There was a real cool older guy I used to work with. I worked with him for YEARS before I happened to find out he was part of that church. It just never had come up before. And when it did come up, he wasn't all defensive and argumentative about it. I wound up giving him a few good acappella albums I had. Just keep in mind that every human is an individual. No matter how many people from that kind of church argue with you, there are still a few who are cool dudes.
Three things I will point out though:
1 - I can't see where doing without musical instruments does them any actual harm, so I just avoid talking to them when I can and decline to debate when I have to talk to them.
2 - As Paul once said, if you do something believing it is wrong - even if there's nothing really wrong with it - to you it is a sin, because you are deliberately doing something you think is wrong. So not only is there no profit in arguing with them, there can be actual harm.
3 - There was a real cool older guy I used to work with. I worked with him for YEARS before I happened to find out he was part of that church. It just never had come up before. And when it did come up, he wasn't all defensive and argumentative about it. I wound up giving him a few good acappella albums I had. Just keep in mind that every human is an individual. No matter how many people from that kind of church argue with you, there are still a few who are cool dudes.
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Actually a guy from one of those churches did the most amazing thing I have ever seen in my life.
I used to work with him at a factory. He was a standard product of that church, always debating, always looking for an excuse to start an argument. I would always decline to argue for the reasons stated in my previous post, and because I didn't really believe either of us had a chance of changing the other's mind about anything.
FOURTEEN YEARS later I'm out sweeping up trash in the parking lot and this guy comes up out of the blue and says, "I'd like to apologize for how I acted back then. I've been trying to find everyone I used to talk to back then and say I'm sorry I was such a jerk."
It was a good thing I was holding a broom that I could prop myself up with, or I might have fallen over. Back when he was arguing with everyone about everything, you could not have made me believe he would ever get better.
I didn't ask if he was still going to "that church" but I did notice he looked a lot happier now.
I used to work with him at a factory. He was a standard product of that church, always debating, always looking for an excuse to start an argument. I would always decline to argue for the reasons stated in my previous post, and because I didn't really believe either of us had a chance of changing the other's mind about anything.
FOURTEEN YEARS later I'm out sweeping up trash in the parking lot and this guy comes up out of the blue and says, "I'd like to apologize for how I acted back then. I've been trying to find everyone I used to talk to back then and say I'm sorry I was such a jerk."
It was a good thing I was holding a broom that I could prop myself up with, or I might have fallen over. Back when he was arguing with everyone about everything, you could not have made me believe he would ever get better.
I didn't ask if he was still going to "that church" but I did notice he looked a lot happier now.
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The last several Psalms, among many others, speak of praising God with all sorts of instruments and song, loud noises and more.
I never understood how so many teachers of the Word are against such. We may even dance if the Holy Spirit moves us to do so, though I do not dance well. God is to be praised with all joy.
I never understood how so many teachers of the Word are against such. We may even dance if the Holy Spirit moves us to do so, though I do not dance well. God is to be praised with all joy.
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https://thirdmill.org/magazine/arti... Musical Instruments in New Testament Worship
https://carm.org/about-the-church/can-we-use-musical-instruments-in-the-church/
Revelation 8:7-13
The first sounded, and there came hail and fire,
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Musical-Instruments,-Types-Of
Matthew 9:23
Verse Concepts
When Jesus came into the official’s house, and saw the flute-players and the crowd in noisy disorder,
Matthew 11:17
Verse Concepts
and say, ‘We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.’
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Musical-Instruments,-Types-Of
Revelation 5:8
Verse Concepts
When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Musical-Instruments,-Types-Of
1 Corinthians 13:1
Verse Concepts
If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Musical-Instruments,-Types-Of
Revelation 18:21-22
Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer. And the sound of harpists and musicians and flute-players and trumpeters will not be heard in you any longer; and no craftsman of any craft will be found in you any longer; and the sound of a mill will not be heard in you any longer;
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Musical-Instruments,-Types-Of
Revelation 14:2
Verse Concepts
And I heard a voice from heaven, like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder, and the voice which I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Instrumentalists
https://carm.org/about-the-church/can-we-use-musical-instruments-in-the-church/
Revelation 8:7-13
The first sounded, and there came hail and fire,
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Musical-Instruments,-Types-Of
Matthew 9:23
Verse Concepts
When Jesus came into the official’s house, and saw the flute-players and the crowd in noisy disorder,
Matthew 11:17
Verse Concepts
and say, ‘We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.’
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Musical-Instruments,-Types-Of
Revelation 5:8
Verse Concepts
When He had taken the book, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each one holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Musical-Instruments,-Types-Of
1 Corinthians 13:1
Verse Concepts
If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but do not have love, I have become a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Musical-Instruments,-Types-Of
Revelation 18:21-22
Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, “So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer. And the sound of harpists and musicians and flute-players and trumpeters will not be heard in you any longer; and no craftsman of any craft will be found in you any longer; and the sound of a mill will not be heard in you any longer;
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Musical-Instruments,-Types-Of
Revelation 14:2
Verse Concepts
And I heard a voice from heaven, like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder, and the voice which I heard was like the sound of harpists playing on their harps.
Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Instrumentalists