BIDEN PROMOTES TRANSGENDER SURGERY FOR CHILDREN

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Cameron143

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Here is a better version: love your neighbor as yourself. Who are you to interfere in someone else's life?
What truly is love?
For you it seems to be the lack of interference from others. For a Christian, love is wanting the best for others.
Let's suppose we were hiking in the mountains. I could see that you were approaching the edge of a cliff to which you were oblivious. Would you want me to interfere in your life and tell you or let you exercise your freedom and lose your life?
I can tell from your posts that you don't view sexual sin as sin and don't see its imminent danger. But those who have shared with you in this post haven't done so to impinge upon your liberty. They have done so, for the most part, because they believe you are nearing a spiritual cliff and don't want to see you fall. They are in fact exercising love towards you.
Even if the arguments don't convince you that they are correct, at least understand that their motives aren't born of ill will but a genuine desire for your good.

We all hold beliefs in ignorance that are contrary to the truth of God's word. When a belief I hold is contrary to what other Christians are saying I pause and prayerfully consider afresh my beliefs in light of scripture. I truly hope you will do so in this case.
 

presidente

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Is this supposed to be some sort of riddle?

a) How do you know if almost no one of the opposite gender would be attracted to you? And which gender is the opposite: the one you were born with or the one that you chose?
I said opposite sex. You said opposite gender.

Some people are crazy, or in the case of really gullible left wing sheep over the past decade or so, subscribe to a stupid and harmful philosophy. The idea of 'gender' as something that is real, apart from biological sex is an idiotic and harmful philosophy. If someone's 'gender' doesn't match their sex, they have a problem with their mind. I'm not talking about physical deformities or intersex medical issues.

I haven't got any stats for it, but I can go out on a limb and guess that most men aren't attracted to a man with big hands and an Adam's apple in drag who had his private parts chopped off. If you include transvestites as trans, a lot of them still have their parts-- just a man dressed like a woman. God finds this disgusting according to the Bible, and so do many of us. Most normal men would be repulsed by the idea that a girl they are dating is actually a man, even if the surgery, hormones, etc. were convincing. I don't know about some of the younger men brainwashed by media and Tiktok. There are homosexuals and bisexuals who might be interested. But Christians are to reckon themselves dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God.

b) What do you define as a 'normal life'? And why would transgender surgery affect the way you live?
It can render a man or woman unable to have children. Whether it is the hormone treatment and castration, men who had the MtF trans surgery tend to have higher heart and lung issues, and who knows what other health issues, and high attempted and actual suicide rates.
 
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Those who love their neighbor don't let their friends be misled into mutilating their genitals because crazy woke liberals wanted them to. Those crazy woke liberals don't love you, and don't care if you ruin your life and happiness by doing that. But Lord Jesus loves you, and therefore He doesn't want you to do that, since it is harmful to you. We His disciples love you to, and counsel you not to, since that is harmful for both your body and your soul. If you did so, or defended doing so, prepare to explain to God at your Judgment why you did that. Otherwise, repent, and never do it again, nor support genital mutilation.

This is a passing fad. 20 or 30 years from now, in all probability, the world will wonder how on Earth anyone believed crazy woke liberals. God created us male and female, and we are not to alter the biological design of our own God-given body.
 

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How many Christian homes, where following the faith of Christ is something central in the home, have a 'transgendered loved one' living there?
When the homosexual community corrupted the 1611KJV Bible to produce their queen James version, intentionally exploiting the ancient slander initiated by one of King James enemies, that he was homosexual, after they deleted their so called clobber verses, those passages that condemn their sons?
Hard to say.

Were they my immediate family member they'd be living elsewhere if they refused mental health counseling.
 

Papermonkey

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https://www.talkspace.com/blog/body-dysphoria-vs-dysmorphia/

Most who discuss this issue know those who suffer the mental illness of gender dysmorphia look at their genitals and see error. God put them in the wrong body.

Gender Dysphoria is a relatively new identity for the same disorder as gender dysmorphia. The change occurred when the APA decided it best after receiving countless death threats from those afflicted with the gender dysmorphia disorder.

It was then decided it would be best to rework the condition to be dysphoric disorder, since dysmorphia caused so much upset among the afflicted. While the term dysphoria sounded less condemning.

Though members of that community insisted their condition be erased entirely from the APA's DSM, this was an non-negotiable ultimatum.
Believing ones healthy body is a mistake because the patient prefers to identify as a different gender is a mental disorder compounded by physiological factors. The APA held their ground in that regard.

A similar threat factor led to a rewrite of Homosexuality.
 
President Biden is not "advocating" for "transgender surgery" he is "advocating" to make it available for people who are in fact transgender and who after appropriate counselling and being certified as appropriate for the procedure, decide to proceed. For minors this necessarily involves their parents/guardians.
 

Papermonkey

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President Biden is not "advocating" for "transgender surgery" he is "advocating" to make it available for people who are in fact transgender and who after appropriate counselling and being certified as appropriate for the procedure, decide to proceed. For minors this necessarily involves their parents/guardians.
A distinction without a difference.
 

Papermonkey

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https://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/202...-for-minors-to-be-covered-by-taxpayer-dollars

Biden’s HHS Secretary has now confirmed that the Biden Administration is using taxpayer dollars to push young children to have sex change operations and take dangerous chemicals that do permanent damage to their bodies.https://t.co/WjhTlJVidc
— Rep. Mary Miller (@RepMaryMiller) November 30, 2022

Miller also confirmed to the outlet that the Biden administration supports these procedures being completed without parents' consent.

"Biden's HHS Secretary has now confirmed that the Biden Administration is using taxpayer dollars to push young children to have sex change operations and take dangerous chemicals that do permanent damage to their bodies. The Biden Administration even supports allowing these procedures to occur without parental consent. American taxpayer dollars should never fund puberty blockers and sex change surgeries on minor children," Miller said.



In his response, Becerra repeatedly cited the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) Standards of Care Version 8, which provides an extensive outline for physicians performing sex-change operations and other procedures on minors and adults.

This guidance suggests that gender-change procedures for adolescent youth have "positive outcomes", but admits there is "limited data on the optimal timing" of gender alterations "as well as the long-term physical, psychological, and neurodevelopmental outcomes in youth."
 
Your view of what is sin in this context is fully without justification. We could argue forever and you would not educate yourself or allow yourself to understand the issue. You likely also believe that there is a cadre of pedophiles in the Democrat party who are being monitored by an unknown person called "Q". So no sense trying to have a rational discussion. G'day.
 

Papermonkey

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Your view of what is sin in this context is fully without justification. We could argue forever and you would not educate yourself or allow yourself to understand the issue. You likely also believe that there is a cadre of pedophiles in the Democrat party who are being monitored by an unknown person called "Q". So no sense trying to have a rational discussion. G'day.
If you are addressing your remarks to me, you are forgiven your ignorance of scripture as pertains to Transsexuality, Homosexuality, and leading children astray.

It is always wise to know something about our faith before joining any Christian community. Also, there are many Bible sites that allow relevant scripture searched by subject.
Therein you would do well in future to search passages pertaining to Transsexuality, Homosexuality, and leading innocents, children, astray.

Being our allegiance to Christ is first, paramount, in the life of any Christian, it must be said that those who advocate immorality,sins God condemns as abhorant to him and an abomination, shall never succeed to further their sinful agenda and condescend to scripture and the faithful.

What instead shall be accomplished is to witness Christians correcting such efforts using God's guidance and words.
And we'll even pray for those lost agendaists. 🙏

It is indeed a good and blessed day. Praise the Lord.
 

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How many Christian homes, where following the faith of Christ is something central in the home, have a 'transgendered loved one' living there?
Nieces, nephews, grandchildren, brothers, sisters, aunts, uncles, neighbors...there are lots of people we love in our lives and the question of how we express our faith in love to those people is real.
 

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Your last sentence is interesting. I agree that there hasn't been much discussion of showing Yeshua's love to a transgendered loved one (or any trangendered person). As Christians we are told to love our neighbor, yet there are many Christians who are apparently incapable of doing that. They choose to judge others, not love them, which is very sad.

I'm not sure what you meant by the last phrase. Why can't showing Yeshua's love happen in a Christian home?
The common opinion is that transgenders cannot come from a Christian home. I guess this particular sin is somehow different than all the other sins. While divorce, adultery, lust, excessive drinking or gambling, lying, stealing, blaspheming, all can come such faithful homes, somehow this sin cannot.
 

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There's lots of definitions of "freedom".
Show me one example in the Bible of the "freedom" given by God for two sodomites to marry?

There were a group of 7-10 year olds offering freedom to a neighborhood queer. He was climbing up a cliff and the children tried to untie it from the post and free him from his rope. That's one good reason little boys should always carry the pocket knives their daddies issued to them. Sometimes Knotts are too hard for weak hands to untie. That's the kind of freedom that queer needed.

God put it much better.
"“It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.”
For anyone who can't figure out the moral of the story.....

The children represent the little boys who were sons of the families. They were victims and friends of victims of the neighborhood sodomite.
The neighborhood sodomite represents those who deserve capital punishment for their capital crimes.
The rope is that which Mr queer holds onto for dear life.
The children learn of this and regret that they cannot free him from the post to which it's tied. They wish to free him from the post.
Even they innately know that someone must stop the criminals. Instead they see fake Christians celebrating fagotry and claiming to represent Christ's love for them.
 

presidente

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The common opinion is that transgenders cannot come from a Christian home. I guess this particular sin is somehow different than all the other sins. While divorce, adultery, lust, excessive drinking or gambling, lying, stealing, blaspheming, all can come such faithful homes, somehow this sin cannot.
It just seems unlikely that Christian parents are going to let their kids get transgendered surgery, or even cross-dress. I realize some teens are rebellious and can be hard to deal with. I"m thinking of minors who live with parents.