According to Jehovah Witnesses without "ACCURATE" knowledge we may become ensnared by false teachings.

They quote Acts 17:11.

The Apostle Paul is telling us to check out what people say as it relates to the Bible to see if what they are saying conforms to what the Scriptures say and teach. (Acts 17:11).

Again, I could not agree more.

The Jehovah Witnesses teach in their NWT of the Bible that Jesus Christ is "a god" at John 1:1.

At Isaiah 7:14 is a prophecy

(Immanuel meaning literally "God" or "Jehovah with us." since Jehovah is the only God).

The Apostle Matthew at Matthew 1:23 quotes Isaiah 7:14,

Isaiah also says at Isaiah 43:10-11,

I believe since there is no other God except for Jehovah, which even the Jehovah Witnesses attest too, that Jesus Christ and God the Father are one and the same being who are equal in nature/essence, power and eternal yet distinct in persons.

Then there is Isaiah 9:6

The Son, Jesus Christ in this verse is identified as "Mighty God."

Isaiah 10:21 says,

Also Jeremiah 32:18.

Obviously there cannot be two mighty Gods because for the Witnesses there is only one true God as Isaiah 45:22 and of course John 17:3 inform us.

Which viewpoint of "ACCURATE" knowledge of God and His Son does not contradict God's word?

Is it Matthew 1:23 which says “God with us?"

Or is it John 1:1 in the NWT that teaches "a god" is with us in the form of a created creature known as Jesus Christ and His role as Michael the arc-angel?

This is indeed ironical since these cultists are in opposition to God in their teachings. But they are wilfully blind, since they made Jesus into "a god".

Forgot to put my name.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

I do not accept the JW's teachings/beliefs.............and, there are several other Groups/Denominations that I do not accept the teachings of eiter.

While I guess some may enjoy the OP, you put some time and thought into it, I do not see the point of spending time on Groups such as these. It just seems that out time would be better spent sharing the Gospel of Christ with the world, and seeking to do the work of the Kingdom.

anyway...............just saying

Why are you turning this thread into what the Mormons believe? I don't want any distractions or the changing of the subject. The focus is on what the JW's believe. Start a thread on the Mormons and I will be glad to go through what they believe and why they believe it.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

That 'a god' part in John 1 in the NWT makes that entire book worthless.

Don't worry about it, I know you meant well. Keep up the good work.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Thank you

I love this verse, many people overlook this one. I think that if Jesus didnt come to earth as the God-man and become the final judge then humans would completely overlook him, he wouldnt have any relevance.

Hi bluto, happened onto your post while searching for answers to questions regarding a 12th century Bible scholar, Rabbi David Kimhi. I have also been interested in the teaching by the Jehovah Witnesses. They have recently been in my neighborhood and I talk with them and they have emailed me information.

Thanks to my investigating your post I am almost certain to not pursue any of their teachings. As you point out this web site>>https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1988404 >>>>And it starts with these words writ bold>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Accurate Knowledge of God and His Son Leads to Life >>>>>Of particular interest is the word 'accurate'.

I find that by the use of the word 'accurate', intent of the Scriptural admonish at 1 Timothy 2:4 as the first point the JW teaching goes on to show is now in the readers mind set to accept the word 'accurate' as part of the verse at 1 Timothy 2:4. However, the word 'accurate' is not used in any other translation at this site here.>>>>>>1 Timothy 2:4 Multilingual: who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (biblehub.com)

The intent of Paul at this verse is to inform the reader of the truth that, ".....God our Saviour;" (1 Timothy 2:3) wants all men to come to realize this truth personally. Verse 3 "...God our Saviour;" is the object of verse 4 ".....come unto the knowledge of the truth."

I see further at point 7 of the web site, a confounding way of presenting. i.e. very confusing teaching as I see it. I am not familiar with the Greek language but post here links so you can compare what seems to me the use of the Greek article at both Matthew 1:23 and John 1:1. i.e. article (o) or (ho) Compare all manuscripts at these sites and find that the term 'a god' is an unacceptable translation.

Matthew 1:23 Multilingual: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel' (which means, God with us). (biblehub.com)

John 1:1 Multilingual: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (biblehub.com)

Maybe this will help you with your question. It helped me with some of my questions.

I agree we must have an accurate knowledge of God's word, that's why we should avoid JW nonsense.

Problem RA is for some of us it is not so easy to recognize what is 'nonsense' and what isn't. May be that bluto got 'caught unawares' or something. I see bluto has been a Christian for a long time and apparently that can happen? Myself being fairly new to Christianity and still trying to figure out if I am hearing 'The Shepherd's' voice am much lest trusting but willing to listen and it takes time and study to figure some things out.

According to Jehovah Witnesses without "ACCURATE" knowledge we may become ensnared by false teachings.


They are certainly right about that much.

Hosea 4:6
“My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.”

Nothing to be sorry about, Deut. Your posts are not only interesting and useful, but also very relevant. This thread is about false teaching and accuracy of knowledge. The LDS are a fine example of false teaching and inaccurate knowledge.

Hello @persistent, the key to understanding JW's is at their leadership level, what they refer to as The Watchtower Bible and Track Society, or just The Watchtower Society. This group of men claims that they are God's prophet on Earth.

Here's a question for you. What is the Biblical test that proves whether or not someone (or in this case, an organization) truly speaks for God or not? The answer is a simple one, their prophesies never fail to come true, NOT EVEN ONCE.

The Watchtower Society has (for instance) prophesied the end of the world/the end this age several times (over the last 100 years), and they did so by giving their members, and the rest of us, the exact date that it was supposed to happen on (again and again and again). Many of the JW faithful were so convinced that their "prophet" (The Watchtower Society) was correct that many of them sold their homes and quit their jobs to double their evangelistic efforts in the world before it was too late to do so (I must give them credit for being VERY good at witnessing/evangelism .. we Christians could actually learn something from them in that regard).

So, God's supposed "prophet" was proven wrong about the world ending (obviously), as we, including the JW's, are all still here

There are teachers and prophets in the Bible that God was happy with, but there was also another class of teachers and prophets that He was anything but happy with. The Watchtower Society is among the latter kind, the kind that both the Lord Jesus and the Apostle Peter mention .. e.g. Matthew 24:11; 2 Peter 2:1.

Unlike the Mormons, the JW's make little to no effort to pay lip service to salvation "by grace", teaching instead that it is only by our faithful obedience to their false doctrines, and by our good works (evangelism), that God will choose to save us. Sadly, like many of the Pharisees of old, they are blind guides who are not simply heretical, but apostate (and just like the Pharisees, they are looking to win as many converts to their way of thinking as possible .. e.g. Matthew 23:15).

BTW, they believe (like we do) that there is but one God. Unlike us (and the Bible) however, they do not teach that the nature of God is trinitarian, the God exists, both from and to everlasting, as three Divine Persons (IOW, that the nature of God is that of a Godhead). They, in point of fact, teach that the Lord Jesus Christ is NOT God, but that He is instead, Michael the Archangel, the Father's first "creation", and that He (Jesus) was there alongside of Jehovah as an observer to the creation, but that Jesus or Michael was not the Creator Himself (that He did not create anything .. which, of course, is hardly what the Bible says).


Finally, their Bible, called the NWT or New World Translation (NT completed in 1950/OT in 1962), was the first time (and the only time, to date) that a Bible has been created to specifically line up with the beliefs/presuppositions of a church. I could go into why their additions and subtractions to/from the Bible are false, but I don't think you'll need to know this, because in a somewhat similar manner to their prophesies concerning the end of the age, The Watchtower Society (who claimed that their new translation of the Bible, the NWT was the GREATEST and most accurate translation of the Bible ever made), was sued in court for lying about that (as it was shown that their "translation team" had no knowledge whatsoever of Greek, Hebrew and Aramaic). IOW, they simply took as English Bible and adjusted it to fit their apostate beliefs

See: https://www.theworldnewsmedia.org/topic/71469-nwt-translators-did-not-know-biblical-hebrew-or-greek/

God bless you!!

~Deuteronomy
p.s. - I have a friend who is a former JW Elder (that is a BIG deal in the JW organization, BTW). He told me that if I wanted to witness to JW's and help them find their way out of their cult, to focus on their false prophet/The Watchtower Society instead of on Scripture, especially at first, because all JW's are taught how to counter a Christian's arguments about Scripture, so first and foremost, they need to see who their leaders/"teachers" truly are.

Hi Persistent! I'm extremely glad that I could help. I'm even more glad that you have an open mind and am willing to listen. The biggest enemy of the mind is "pride." Since (as you said) your fairly new to Christianity lets test the Jehovah's Witnesses understanding of the Scriptures per 1 John 4:1, "Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God."

I went to the JW site and read the following:

“I and the Father Are One”

4. Why is the claim that the churches make about John 10:30 not true?

4 The churches often cite John 10:30 to try to support the Trinity, although no mention is made of any third person in that verse. There Jesus said: “I and the Father are one.” But did Jesus mean that he was God Almighty himself, just in a different form? No, that could not be since Jesus always said that he was God’s Son, inferior to Him and in subjection to Him. What, then, did Jesus mean at John 10:30?"

What I would like you to do is to read the CONTEXT of what Jesus is talking about starting at John 10:24-39. Just give me your understanding of the verses. Then I will give you what Jesus is talking about as compared to what the JW's are teaching in what they say the verses mean. Hang in there your not alone.

IN GOD THE SON,
bluto

Hey bluto I saw your post and it looked as though you were trying to determine the what the JW teaching is. I guess I misunderstood the way you presented. It was helpful in that I had not investigated the JW teaching to date, and I took the time when I saw what you posted as it piqued my interest since I have been working through a commentary that references some of what I take to be a possible source of the teaching of JW's.

I post the link here and the commentary is by Alexander McCaul. If you have the time to look at it that would be helpful. It is not a very easy work, I also have an ongoing 'discussion' with a teacher from a likely misinformed 'faction' and McCaul's work may help me with my 'discussion' with this teacher. Joachim Heinrich Biesenthal | Remnant Repository | Vine of David (ffoz.org)

I am glad to find that your question posted at this thread is rhetorical. and post again the response I initially gave for you apparently missed it. From post #13

Hi bluto, happened onto your post while searching for answers to questions regarding a 12th century Bible scholar, Rabbi David Kimhi. I have also been interested in the teaching by the Jehovah Witnesses. They have recently been in my neighborhood and I talk with them and they have emailed me information.

Thanks to my investigating your post I am almost certain to not pursue any of their teachings. As you point out this web site>>https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1988404 >>>>And it starts with these words writ bold>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Accurate Knowledge of God and His Son Leads to Life >>>>>Of particular interest is the word 'accurate'.

I find that by the use of the word 'accurate', intent of the Scriptural admonish at 1 Timothy 2:4 as the first point the JW teaching goes on to show is now in the readers mind set to accept the word 'accurate' as part of the verse at 1 Timothy 2:4. However, the word 'accurate' is not used in any other translation at this site here.>>>>>>1 Timothy 2:4 Multilingual: who desires all people to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. (biblehub.com)

The intent of Paul at this verse is to inform the reader of the truth that, ".....God our Saviour;" (1 Timothy 2:3) wants all men to come to realize this truth personally. Verse 3 "...God our Saviour;" is the object of verse 4 ".....come unto the knowledge of the truth."

I see further at point 7 of the web site, a confounding way of presenting. i.e. very confusing teaching as I see it. I am not familiar with the Greek language but post here links so you can compare what seems to me the use of the Greek article at both Matthew 1:23 and John 1:1. i.e. article (o) or (ho) Compare all manuscripts at these sites and find that the term 'a god' is an unacceptable translation.

Matthew 1:23 Multilingual: Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel' (which means, God with us). (biblehub.com)

John 1:1 Multilingual: In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (biblehub.com)

Maybe this will help you with your question. It helped me with some of my questions