Does Christ Choose

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faith believes what God said about salvation

the “new grace revolution doctrine “ requires one to eliminate everything Jesus said to do , and say “ that’s a work “

ultimately we have to “disbelieve what Jesus said to have that kind of faith “

It if we would repent of our own thinking and hear the truth we’re going to be saved just like Jesus said

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

faith is to believe him if we refuse to believe him

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his words will never change or end thier authority

“Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:35‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“ Grace “ doesn’t take away what Jesus said it comes in and with and because of what he said and did

“She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee:

go, and sin no more.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I don’t condemn you for your sins doesn’t erase “ no you go and do your part “

Its what Adam did he hears what God said and then a whole different version of the same fruit but he didn’t listen to God and believe his word about the fruit they believed a talking snake instead because his words sounded more appealing to the flesh that wants the fruit

what our savior said about eternal
Life and sent to everyone saying believe this and be saved “is Gods gift of grace through faith and will always be Gods salvation

any grace trying to change that is not of the same spirit

His words do not change, but the way he has dealt with man throughout human history has changed. That is evident. He has always been full of grace and truth.

the gospel that Jesus preached while on earth will Never change we’re supposed to hear and believe the gospel and be saved brother that’s salvstion and there’s no other he will lead us by faith his word not the historical Israel but when Jesus came and said “ if you believe what I’m teaching you will have everlasting life “

thats never going to change it will always be the same just as his blood poured out for sins won’t change

Can you post where he preached his death, burial, and resurrection for sins? Thanks.

actually I can show you Isaiah preaching seven hundred years before Jesus was born , Jesus preaching it , accomplishing it like the prophets said he would and show you Paul explaining his doctrine was what Moses and the prophets preached all along

But it won’t matter to you you will go in another circle because of the hypergrace wall

700 bc

“Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed? ( see Roman’s chapter ten )

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.

He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭53:1, 5-6, 10-11‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus preaching it

“For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭9:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For even the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭10:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Peter preaching it to gentiles

“Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of allthat word, I say, ye know, which was published throughout all Judæa, and began from Galilee, after the baptism which John preached; how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Ghost and with power: who went about doing good, and healing all that were oppressed of the devil; for God was with him. And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: him God raised up the third day, and shewed him openly;

And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:34-40, 42-44‬ ‭KJV‬‬

notice he’s not removing anything else but taking his death and resurrection as truth and essential part of the doctrine he then commands them to get baptized in Jesus name for remission , he does t tell them “ now you don’t need to obey God and anything you do is irrelevant your not capable of doing anything good. Or choosing anything right and good “ all that part of it is made up

awe are t supposed to say “ Jesus does for my sins and rose now , I don’t need to believe the rest I’m saved regardless of what God said about it “

arhats a terrible idea brother his bloodshed means everything Jesus said from his baptism by John , to his ascention into heaven is the eternal covenant he has been promising to make with them

it’s the oldest lesson on the book if God says somethkng about say a price of fruit. Or eternal salvation it’s always going to be correct and true and anyone that believes him and acts accordingly is going to be blessed by his promise

and if man hears what he says and then someone says “ no that’s not how it is the fruit isn’t poison , the saviors word isn’t the right way “

Whatever God declares is always the path set before man

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Thats where salvation is founded and it’s intended audience , this is salvations authority doctrine and timing

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18-20‬ ‭KJV‬‬

All creatures in the world , all nations one and the same gospel

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

This word is not one we should work to avoid and dismiss

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

(thats why he sent it out as a witness to everyone because of they hear and believe they get to have the promise he’s making that’s faith )

(nor is it even possible to actually avoid his word )
Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, and shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24, 28-29‬ ‭KJV‬‬


We can but then

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.


For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It’s better to accept it and live tHan to reject it and be judged with those rising from the grave who tries to avoid the word of those God and judge

Its literally God saying to anyone who hears it “ do you want to live ? Or die ? Choose life “

True wisdom?

1 Corinthians 1:18-2
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.
For it is written: “I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.”
Where is the wise? Where is the scribe? Where is the disputer of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of this world? For since, in the wisdom of God, the world through wisdom did not know God, it pleased God through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe.

Thanks, but you proved my point. Jesus didn’t preach his death, burial, and resurrection for sins. He preached the gospel of the kingdom to the Jews, the good news of the restoration of the kingdom of Israel.

if i may, since it's apropos to this thread...

Brothers and sisters, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. God chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him.
It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption.
Therefore, as it is written: “Let the one who boasts boast in the Lord.” (26-31)

soli Deo gloria!

It’s the same result anytime you are given scripture by anyone you can’t hear it because you have invented a different gospel

what’s the message of the Cross ? Does this have anything to do with it ? Or do we just say “ the cross the cross “

At his is a small example of “ the message of the cross “and how it applies to us

“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death:


that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.


For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: ( live a new life )knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God. For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.

What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,( 1 choice )

or of obedience unto righteousness?( the right choice )

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:3-7, 11-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

all that understanding is coming from the acknowledgement that Jesus died for our sins and was raised to life for justification . Everything written in the New Testament is “ the message of the cross “ saying “ the works of the cross “ does not. Or will it ever change what God said about salvation

The cross doesn’t eliminate the understanding in Gods word it exemplifies it

Whosoever will Can be saved

And yet, you have not shown where Christ preached the death, burial, and resurrection for sins. The gospel of the kingdom is not it. The Jews understood the gospel of the kingdom. They did not understand nor could understand the cross because it was hidden from them.

Even after the resurrection, the disciples were looking forward to the restoration of the kingdom of Israel.

Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

Rom 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

"Kingdom of Israel" is not a New Testament phrase.

And yet, you have not shown where Christ preached the death, burial, and resurrection for sins.

“The gospel of the kingdom is not it.”

Ugh ….first here’s one to reject

“And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭24:14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The apostle Paul is one of several chosen witnesses to accomplish that here’s another one to reject

“And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:30-31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

One more witness specifically to the Ephesians church

“and how I kept back nothing that was profitable unto you, but have shewed you, and have taught you publickly, and from house to house, testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭20:20-21, 25‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The reason I mentioned you’re not able to hear is because you will. NOw explain “ Paul didn’t preach the gospel of the kingdom “ “he made up his own gospel of grace it’s not the same “ ect ect ect

also again here’s Jesus preaching about his death and resurrection

“saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:22‬ ‭KJV‬

heres Jesus explaining why he’s going to lay his life down

“even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭20:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“for this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭26:28‬ ‭KJV‬‬

heres Jesus explaining about the source of a Christian life coming from his resurrection and his spirit

“Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:19‬ ‭KJV‬‬

you just aren’t able to hear it brother you are ac try ally arguing against what oil himself taught and claiming oaul didn’t teach that the reason it’s an issue for you is because this happened somewhere along the line

“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; and they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4:3-4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Once we accept another path to be saved the one Jesus laid out for all
Mankind seems to sound different than what we believe and thats never going to lead us to him

But again it’s really hard to discuss scripture when people refuse to acknowledge what it says

“Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure. Do all things without murmurings and disputings: that ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;”
‭‭Philippians‬ ‭2:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

it’s hard to discuss with you because your talking about a different gospel than the one God set forth and said to believe

you seem to want to forsake it for this

“For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Rather than accepting the gospel Jesus swore again and again is salvstion for anyone that believes

It’s troubling at this point because it’s. Repeat of the garden only the serpent wouldn’t want someone to hear and believe and trust what god said bout life and death

I don’t mean any offense to my impersonally but that hyper grace doctrine is this

“And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

And then another truth comes along explaining how that’s not true

“Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

….And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die: ( either he’s lying or God is lying there’s really no mystery who is lying but he makes it sound appealing ) for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

(her mind is corrupted now she’s seeing wrong )And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, ( God said it is certain death but she listened to the other guy ) and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭3:1, 4-6‬

they’ve heard Gods true word and then they heard a lie saying it’s not true so now to tell them the fruit is poison like God said , becomes hard to hear because thier ears have been turned to a fable now thier searching for good and evil and will die all because they chose the wrong word to trust in

this is the word to trust in

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a there’s absolutely no reason for anyone who believes in Jesus Christ to reject his words offering salvation from death which Adam brought by rejecting Gods living word

a there’s never going to be another gospel never another name never another way to be the children of God and live only Jesus can do that and he does it for everyone who believes his word in the gospel

abut I could show you a lot of verses I actually have over the last two years and you see t willing to hear what I have to share scripture Carrie’s weight with some and others trust thier own ideas and truthfully “mens ideas sell better to men tbat gods truth sells , but Gods truth holds all the majesty of heaven and holds it out and offers it freely mens ideas always lead to the same death

Are you equating the kingdom of Israel to the kingdom of God? I hope not.

The gospel Paul preached went out into all the world, was preached to every creature under heaven, and yet the end has not come? Why? Because we’re talking about two different things.

No way would I equate a man's kingdom to God's Kingdom.

The Son Chooses who to Wake Up, so here is a tip, TRY to stop deliberate separation in your Relationship to show Him you are worthy.

John 5:21 KJV — For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

John 9:39 KJV
And Jesus said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.