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Dude653

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Gojira said:
Oh boy... you are totally missing so much of what I've written. To give the above response... Ugh.

Dude, I don't hate you or anything, so please don't think that. Besides, I'm not permitted to hate you :D But, you're either willfully not hearing me or something else is blocking you from following me. I really do need to move on now. My tires are bald. Much like my head.

I'll let someone else try to tackle this is they feel it's worth their time.
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Google voice to type messed up my words but you asked me why do I find rape repulsive, the answer to your question is simple...
Empathy.
 
HealthAndHappiness

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Gojira said:
You seriously need to review the history of the country and the founders... what they wrote, their thinking process, their philosophy. You will be stunned. And yet... you would remain free.
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This dude equates God's Word with the Satanic Islamic religion. How long has he trolled this Christian forum?
 
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Google voice to type messed up my words but you asked me why do I find rape repulsive, the answer to your question is simple...
Empathy.
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And you missed my point: Empathy is a subjective feeling. This is moral relativism, and no free society will stand on such a foundation for long.
 
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This dude equates God's Word with the Satanic Islamic religion. How long has he trolled this Christian forum?
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Yeah.. I'm trying to get through. He seems to think that his standard for right and wrong is THE standard. But, that of course would make him God. But, isn't that the downfall of every human? Why we need Christ, and why people must make Him their lord, in both public and private life.

But, this will be seen as forcing theocracy down his throat. GGGRRRRRRRR :mad: Moving on. I have employers to answer to.
 
Dude653

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Gojira said:
And you missed my point: Empathy is a subjective feeling. This is moral relativism, and no free society will stand on such a foundation for long.
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No. You're wrong again
Moral relativism is saying that we shouldn't criticize a particular culture for treating women like property and making them walk around in trash bags and 130° weather
Empathy is saying you shouldn't do that
So a person who needs scripture to tell him it's wrong to rape someone is just associate path on the leash
 
Dude653

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Gojira said:
Yeah.. I'm trying to get through. He seems to think that his standard for right and wrong is THE standard. But, that of course would make him God. But, isn't that the downfall of every human? Why we need Christ, and why people must make Him their lord, in both public and private life.

But, this will be seen as forcing theocracy down his throat. GGGRRRRRRRR :mad: Moving on. I have employers to answer to.
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High standard of right and wrong is based on what's conducive to human well-being and reducing human suffering
So we can conclude that since raping people is not conducive to human well-being and reducing sufferings then this would be an immoral action.... Also you still didn't answer my question
 
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Up through the 1960s sodomy was considered a vile, sick mentality by even the governments. Warnings to boys were provided by police departments.

Gojira said:
Oh boy... you are totally missing so much of what I've written. To give the above response... Ugh.

Dude, I don't hate you or anything, so please don't think that. Besides, I'm not permitted to hate you :D But, you're either willfully not hearing me or something else is blocking you from following me. I really do need to move on now. My tires are bald. Much like my head.

I'll let someone else try to tackle this is they feel it's worth their time.
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From his first false accusation, I realized that he was at best wasting my time.
 
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HealthAndHappiness said:
Up through the 1960s sodomy was considered a vile, sick mentality by even the governments. Warnings to boys were provided by police departments.


From his first false accusation, I realized that he was at best wasting my time.
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I didn't accuse anyone of anything. I asked a question. Because I don't want to straw man someone's argument.... And how exactly would you enforce autonomy laws? Do you really think you're going to get a warrant for my judge to kick down someone's door and see what they're doing in the bedroom?
That would also be unconstitutional unconstitutional
 
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Oops. I meant my standard of right and wrong is based on what is conducive to human well-being and reducing unnecessary suffering
Raping people is not conducive to human well-being or reducing unnecessary suffering, therefore we can conclude that raping people is an immoral action.
See how I didn't need to invoke any religious principles to arrive at this conclusion?
 
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HealthAndHappiness said:
Secularism (without God) has no place in a righteous and moral society. Now the cities celebrate who God calls abominations.

More Laws based on THE Law as God gave to His people:
Sodomy Laws Based Upon the Bible
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Or maybe I should direct my question that you since you were the one who posted it.. one of the first scriptures in this video you posted literally says that gay people should be killed
My question to you is do you think we should institute this policy in america?
 
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Dude653 said:
No. You're wrong again
Moral relativism is saying that we shouldn't criticize a particular culture for treating women like property and making them walk around in trash bags and 130° weather
Empathy is saying you shouldn't do that
So a person who needs scripture to tell him it's wrong to rape someone is just associate path on the leash
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Your actually stealing from God to say this. Our foundation was built on the Biblical morality that promotes rape as immoral. You say that only because you grew up under this moral system. You are stealing God's morality while saying you do not need God. Even though scripture says we are evil and do in fact need restraint and the help of the Holy Spirit. You would probably think differently if you grew up in Islam or some regions of Africa.
 
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Your actually stealing from God to say this. Our foundation was built on the Biblical morality that promotes rape as immoral. You say that only because you grew up under this moral system. You are stealing God's morality while saying you do not need God. Even though scripture says we are evil and do in fact need restraint and the help of the Holy Spirit. You would probably think differently if you grew up in Islam or some regions of Africa.
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So how do you explain the fact that I have empathy despite not following any scriptural guidelines?
 
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Gojira said:
Nooo... according to the sicko Left, you're a bigot. Aid, abet, participate, or you're evil, and deserve a mob burning you out of your car or legal action that ruins your business. Gotta love the Left's version of freedom. Kind of sounds like Mussolini's.
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Yes, that sounds like a pretty fair description of me......for not sharing the worldview of tolerant liberal Wokists.
 
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Yes, that sounds like a pretty fair description of me......for not sharing the worldview of tolerant liberal Wokists.
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I would argue that trying to force people to follow your religion through legislation is the definition of bigotry
Woke is trying to shut down opposing views
I'm all for hearing opposing viewpoints but what you're not going to do is force your beliefs on me
 
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Dude653 said:
Well you probably won't read it but in his book The moral landscape, hair is presents the argument that we can reach an objective standard for morality based on well being
I guess not everyone is going to care about human well-being. That part is subjective but if we can subjectively agree that human well-being is the goal then there should be things we can agree on that are objectively not conducive to that goal like throwing gay people off of rooftops or stoning people to death for blasphemy
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WB: Objective standard for morality based on well being.

And please do tell how ALL people can arrive at the same interpretation of 'well being' in the context of, say, Richard Dawkins who is of the view that a human foetus is of no more value than that of the foetus of a pig?
 
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Dude653 said:
I would argue that trying to force people to follow your religion through legislation is the definition of bigotry
Woke is trying to shut down opposing views
I'm all for hearing opposing viewpoints but what you're not going to do is force your beliefs on me
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WB: Given that our Creator doesn't force His views on you or anyone else I most certainly don't fight against Him and don't even think of forcing my views on you. YHWH has given us the freewill to choose to serve Him ...or reject Him. And that's as it should be.

It's as C S Lewis says: "In the end there are two sorts of people; Those who say to God: "Your will be done." And those to whom God says: "Your will be done."

So, when you choose to reject Him you will have no reason to complain should He reject you, do you?
 
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WillB said:
WB: Objective standard for morality based on well being.

And please do tell how ALL people can arrive at the same interpretation of 'well being' in the context of, say, Richard Dawkins who is of the view that a human foetus is of no more value than that of the foetus of a pig?
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Human well-being like you can't just walk into my house and kill me and take everything on without going to jail
Or you can't just go around sexually assaulting people without going to jail
Or you can't just walk around punching people in the face ect
 
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Dude653 said:
Most of the founding fathers were deist and sodomy laws would be unconstitutional for the reasons I expressed above
You don't get to force your religion on others through law.
This is america, not Saudi Arabia
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but you have stated that alex jones should be in jail for words he spoke.

so, would that not be forced law based on opinion??
 
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Gojira said:
Yeah.. I'm trying to get through. He seems to think that his standard for right and wrong is THE standard. But, that of course would make him God. But, isn't that the downfall of every human? Why we need Christ, and why people must make Him their lord, in both public and private life.

But, this will be seen as forcing theocracy down his throat. GGGRRRRRRRR :mad: Moving on. I have employers to answer to.
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John 3.18
"He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

This is the need that I had and the world....3.16 for sure.
I believe that the Father made Christ Lord in spite of our disobedience to Him as such.
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Acts 2.36
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ."

Our role is to believe in Him apart from works.
 
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gb9 said:
but you have stated that alex jones should be in jail for words he spoke.

so, would that not be forced law based on opinion??
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Yes because slander and defamation is a crime especially when it incites violence
 
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