Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

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Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

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Dino246

Dino246

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RaceRunner said:
Do you believe all planes in the air at any given time can move in the one direction you believe the earth is spinning while at the same time many of the planes travel in different directions?
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There is no need to Shout.

To your question, Yes. The next time you travel by car, notice the keys dangling from the ignition. They are travelling in the same direction as the car while concurrently moving in different directions as they swing. If you hold your hand up and wiggle your fingers, the same principles hold.

If the basic physics of three-dimensional movement make your brain hurt, maybe you should stick to two dimensions.
 
GaryA

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Lucy-Pevensie said:
At least produce a map, don't borrow a spherical map. Spherical measurements have been rejected rigorously by FE advocates therefore all spherical maps are unavailable to FE modeling.
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There are no 'spherical' measurements. (calculations - yes; measurements - no)

Historically speaking - all map data has been collected and assembled utilizing a 'flat' perspective.

Therefore, all maps made from such data are 'flat' maps.

You have all of this backwards...
 
cv5

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GaryA said:
There are no 'spherical' measurements. (calculations - yes; measurements - no)

Historically speaking - all map data has been collected and assembled utilizing a 'flat' perspective.

Therefore, all maps made from such data are 'flat' maps.
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Bro.....satellite paths are "orbital" not "flat". As are their "measurements".
 
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Dino246 said:
There is no need to Shout.

To your question, Yes. The next time you travel by car, notice the keys dangling from the ignition. They are travelling in the same direction as the car while concurrently moving in different directions as they swing. If you hold your hand up and wiggle your fingers, the same principles hold.

If the basic physics of three-dimensional movement make your brain hurt, maybe you should stick to two dimensions.
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It would be impossible for an earth to spin and for all planes to move with the atmosphere while many of the planes are traveling different directions at the same time.
 
Dino246

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GaryA said:
You need to learn how to examine the 'evidence' for 'observation' from within each model.

The model sets the tone and definition for how everything works within that model.

You don't.

To understand it properly, you MUST look at [any particular model] from the point-of-view of that model - period.

There are no two ways about it.

Get used to it...
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No FE proponent on this site has provided a rational model from inside which we can examine FE claims. There is no possibility of examining the claims of FE from within the FE model when THERE IS NO MODEL.

You (collectively) haven't even offered an alternative explanation for, as it is generally called, gravity (DavidTree's ridiculously inane claims notwithstanding). Given that you are attempting to prove that the Earth is flat, you MUST account for the observable, testable effects of gravity.

You haven't.

Yet you want us to believe your view.

Sorry - it does not work that way.

There are no two ways about it.

Get used to it...
 
Dino246

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RaceRunner said:
It would be impossible for an earth to spin and for all planes to move with the atmosphere while many of the planes are traveling different directions at the same time.
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It's impossible only to you. You don't understand physics. Reality is complex. Deal with it.
 
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Dino246 said:
No FE proponent on this site has provided a rational model from inside which we can examine FE claims. There is no possibility of examining the claims of FE from within the FE model when THERE IS NO MODEL.

You (collectively) haven't even offered an alternative explanation for, as it is generally called, gravity (DavidTree's ridiculously inane claims notwithstanding). Given that you are attempting to prove that the Earth is flat, you MUST account for the observable, testable effects of gravity.

You haven't.

Yet you want us to believe your view.

Sorry - it does not work that way.

There are no two ways about it.

Get used to it...
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GaryA

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GaryA said:
Do you see how that the sunlight is continuous (space and time) from-pole-to-pole at the equinox points of the cycle?

Do you see how the context of this occurrence is identical for both Spring and Autumn?

If this were the reality, the climate would be identical for Spring and Autumn. (But, it is not.)

If this were the reality, the climate would be identical for the North region in Summer and the South region in Winter. (But, it is not.)
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Dino246 said:
Already addressed. You are assuming too much and ignoring even more. Your problem is therefore fallacious.
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GaryA said:
Perhaps you might be so kind as to explain to me what I am assuming and what I am ignoring...?
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Dino246 said:
I did in a previous post. However...

Relative sizes of water mass, ice mass, land mass. Albedo of ice/snow vs that of open water. Start with those. Then look at ocean and wind currents. The amount of sunlight is not the sole determining factor. If it were, there would be bands of nearly-identical climates across the world. There aren't. The Sahara desert is at the same latitudes as the jungles of Central America and Southeast Asia. It's simply not as simple as you think it is.
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Not so fast - you have not addressed everything.

Try again - start at the top - don't skip anything.

GaryA said:
Do you see how that the sunlight is continuous (space and time) from-pole-to-pole at the equinox points of the cycle?

Do you see how the context of this occurrence is identical for both Spring and Autumn?

If this were the reality, the climate would be identical for Spring and Autumn. (But, it is not.)
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When you have gotten this far - explain that...
 
Dino246

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RaceRunner said:
Why do you believe planes can travel more than one direction at the same time?
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Personal observation combined with a sound understanding of physics, geometry, and mathematics. The same thing happens with cars, boats, birds, and people.
 
Dino246

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GaryA said:
Not so fast - you have not addressed everything.

Try again - start at the top - don't skip anything.


When you have gotten this far - explain that...
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No. I'm not going to hold your hand while you work through my post stepwise.
 
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Dino246 said:
Personal observation combined with a sound understanding of physics, geometry, and mathematics. The same thing happens with cars, boats, birds, and people.
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A plane can't travel in more than one direction at the same time.
 
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