Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

That can get into sketchy territory because that is the perspective Moslems take on Christian scripture to promote their idea that it was actually just a "Jesus-lookalike" that was crucified instead of Jesus himself, and that the crucifixion accounts were honest but unreliable.

We should at least approach it from the perspective that God willed scripture to be true in all cases with the caveat that the context or meaning might be unclear in a given description. That the accounts are reliable but incomplete.

This is a great spinoff topic piece by itself, but in the context of the whole flat earth vs globe earth conversation, if we accept the premise that the Bible is written by "reliable narrators" we would still have to find a fitting alternative context to explain some of the verses that FE proponents use in FE position. Figurative language can be an approach for many verses, but we would need to determine a holistic convention for determining which verses would likely be figurative vs literal. Sometimes possible solutions are less obvious. The "magenta" solution for the robe question is an example that might counter our intuitive assumption that "purple =/= red", but "p =/= r" has one case where it isn't true (magenta).

I find that exploring the Greek in the New Testament is simpler than OT Hebrew because the context of the OT Hebrew has had Talmudic Judaism actively trying to reinvent what the language means for two millenia. Their solution to the New Testament is just to call it a lie or unreliable (honest but unreliable observations resulting from deceptive manipulations of demons rather than the works of God). The Old Testament poses more difficulty and need for attention because it is a secondary part of their core scripture (the Talmud is their central body of scripture), meaning that they have an invested interest in trying to claim that some interpretations contrary or incompatible with Christian scripture would be necessary interpretations. We should never trust at face value what a Talmudic Jewish scholar has to say about OT scripture for that reason. We can conservatively count all of the Talmudic Judaic opinion on OT scripture as basically just bad advice. But we can still evaluate their input against the whole of Christian scripture to see how sound it is.

And from individual interpretations often comes an overall approach to exegesis. E.g. using Kabbalah numerology. So if we start from bad advice, we can end up using a bad approach to understanding scripture, and from there end up in all sorts of strange concepts that are inherently unnecessary or worse that are contrary to scripture.

It can be difficult exploring OT scripture because of the mixed signals that can be recieved from nonChristian. Unfortunately, the creation account and flat earth accounts are all in the OT. So if we have a Talmudic Judaic scholar making claims that "these particular types of descriptions are never metaphor because... Kabbalah" it can confuse the issue because some Christians might not understand how it can be bad advice.

It might be the case that some of these "man's description vs objective truth" false dichotomies might come from Talmudic philosophy. And so we can address the symptom (the incorrect belief) or the root of the problem (sympathy or adoption of Talmudic philosophy), but preferably both.

Am I the only one who heard the theme to Twilight Zone while reading this post.

Twilight Zone

Straw man. Flat Earth theory does not require the denial of Australia's existence. However, a valid question for the point - why would one invent a psyop for a topic like Flat Earth, if there wasn't truth in it?

Jarle Andh0y - modern day explorer denied permission to explore Antarctica.

http://www.oldsaltblog.com/2012/01/jarle-andhoy/

When he finally started to do it anyway, his ship mysteriously sunk and he's been tied up in legal disputes since. Not what I'd call freedom to explore.

Why? Because some people are mentally blind. Some, including FE believers are beyond the reach of truth. Another example is the hysteria around 5G. I'm 71 and I worked on microwave devices for 3-1/2 years. I should have died years ago if the conspiracy theorists were right. People are inventing ridiculous theories constantly.

A former military pilot posts here from time to time. Military jets can fly up to 70,000 feet. He's seen the curvature of the earth. That's not good enough for FE people, who dare to call God's people liars.

When FE people get together and survey the whole surface of the earth, I will take another look at what they come up with. They have no idea. The maps they come up with are figments of their vain imaginations. Their professed "wisdom" makes them look like fools to anyone with an ounce of intelligence. It's okay to doubt the supposed truth about a subject. There is a lot of stuff that is false, evolution for example. However, to come to a conclusion that defies facts, logic and reason is ridiculous. I don't believe evolution because it defies logic and reason. I believe the earth is a globe because it plainly, observably and mathematically proven to be a globe. And I've been over most of it to see for myself.

While orbiting the Moon on Christmas Eve 1968, the astronauts broadcast directly to the people on Earth; it was the largest television audience in history (to that point), estimated at half a billion people. The three former pilots gave some impressions from the greatest test flight of their lives.

“We were told that on Christmas Eve we would have the largest audience that had ever listened to a human voice,” Borman said in a 2008 Apollo anniversary event. “And the only instructions that we got from NASA was to do something appropriate.”


"For all the people back on Earth the crew of Apollo 8 has a message that we would like to send you

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness."

"And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day."

"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so. And God called the dry land Earth; and the gathering together of the waters called he Seas: and God saw that it was good.

And from the crew of Apollo 8 we close with good night, good luck, a Merry Christmas and God Bless all of you.

I put those drug-soaked hippy conspiracies behind me years ago






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The evidence is in the film where you can see the camera/light man in the refection of the astroNots face shield.

Case closed.

So much evidence is out there but if you refuse to open your eyes you will never SEE.

Someone once said that when our hearst are closed to discovery this occurs = "seeing they see not.........."

NASA owns your mind.

It amazes me how duped people are and reject God's word about His Creation.

NASA owns your mind.

It amazes me how duped people are and reject God's word about His Creation.

I put those drug-soaked hippy conspiracies behind me years ago






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i watched the sun rise today = the earth never moved from the place God established for it

NASA owns your mind.

It amazes me how duped people are and reject God's word about His Creation.

NASA owns your mind.

It amazes me how duped people are and reject God's word about His Creation.

i watched the sun rise today = the earth never moved from the place God established for it

Remember, earlier in this thread you said you hoped you were wrong.

Hope no longer, David. You are.

There are zero Scripture verses proclaiming the earth flat. Please stop pretending otherwise.

Your faux amazement does nothing but display an attitude that needs adjusting.

The sun didn't rise. It was the rotation of the earth on its axis that made it appeared that the sun rises. It doesn't set either. The bible often uses descriptive language so that what is written can easily be understood by the reader who is seeking the truth.