WHAT IS SIN AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF SIN???????????

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Ted01

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Of coarse he could only confess friendship, imagine being in his position. He wouldnt be being honest if he confessed anything else.
Okay... then what?
Seems to me that brotherly love for God and His people is all that's required for salvation.
Perhaps, as has been said, God's love (agape) will flow through as He might will it to happen?
But, what of it? We have nothing to brag about in that... nothing to compare to with others', right?
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I thought Philia love was love of cheese steak. No wonder I'm having problems following this thread.
It is. You are correct. I dont know why that other guy keeps saying its love. I dont love a cheese steak, but one is tolerable now and again. I prefer a rueben. Could be the rye.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Okay... then what?
Seems to me that brotherly love for God and His people is all that's required for salvation.
Perhaps, as has been said, God's love (agape) will flow through as He might will it to happen?
But, what of it? We have nothing to brag about in that... nothing to compare to with others', right?
What is required for salvation is repentance. Which means confessing our sins.
 

Ted01

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What is required for salvation is repentance. Which means confessing our sins.
So, are you saying that you've repented of not being perfect? Including not loving perfectly?
 

Cameron143

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It is. You are correct. I dont know why that other guy keeps saying its love. I dont love a cheese steak, but one is tolerable now and again. I prefer a rueben. Could be the rye.
Yeah, perhaps the marble rye but more likely the corned beef.
Am I the only getting hungry?
 
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Locoponydirtman

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So, are you saying that you've repented of not being perfect? Including not loving perfectly?
Often, because though i try though i care i fail continually.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Yeah, perhaps the marble rye but more likely the corned beef.
Am I the only getting hungry?
No, the dark stuff and yes the corned beef.
Hungry ...... yes me also.
 

Magenta

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what do we set our moral compasses to when it comes to determining what sin is?

Deuteronomy 30:6~ The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love Him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.
 

ThewindBlows

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What is required for salvation is repentance. Which means confessing our sins.
What is required for Salvation is the Blood of Jesus, Jesus shed his Blood for our sins, Repentance that is required is turning from unbelief to Belief in the Gospel
 
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Locoponydirtman

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What is required for Salvation is the Blood of Jesus, Jesus shed his Blood for our sins, Repentance that is required is turning from unbelief to Belief in the Gospel
Repentance consists properly of these two parts: One is contrition, that is, terrors smiting the conscience through the knowledge of sin; the other is faith, which is born of the Gospel, or of absolution, and believes that for Christ’s sake, sins are forgiven, comforts the conscience, and delivers it from terrors.
 

studentoftheword

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ou could certainly say that the highest love is from God and Christ Jesus flowing through you, but that does not remove it from being part of human love.

What your peddling here is false Doctrine -----and you need to strop fabricating that human love can qualify with Agape --God's love ----it cannot and you are leading people astray ----

Cognate: 25 agapáō – properly, to prefer, to love; for the believer, preferring to "live through Christ" (1 Jn 4:9,10), i.e. embracing God's will (choosing His choices) and obeying them through His power. 25

(agapáō) preeminently refers to what God prefers as He "is love" (1 Jn 4:8,16). See 26 (agapē).

With the believer, 25 /agapáō ("to love") means actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction). True


25 /agapáō ("loving") is always defined by God – a "discriminating affection which involves choice and selection" (WS, 477). 1 Jn 4:8,16,17 for example convey how loving ("preferring,"

25 /agapáō) is Christ living His life through the believer.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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What your peddling here is false Doctrine -----and you need to strop fabricating that human love can qualify with Agape --God's love ----it cannot and you are leading people astray ----

Cognate: 25 agapáō – properly, to prefer, to love; for the believer, preferring to "live through Christ" (1 Jn 4:9,10), i.e. embracing God's will (choosing His choices) and obeying them through His power. 25

(agapáō) preeminently refers to what God prefers as He "is love" (1 Jn 4:8,16). See 26 (agapē).

With the believer, 25 /agapáō ("to love") means actively doing what the Lord prefers, with Him (by His power and direction). True

25 /agapáō ("loving") is always defined by God – a "discriminating affection which involves choice and selection" (WS, 477). 1 Jn 4:8,16,17 for example convey how loving ("preferring,"

25 /agapáō) is Christ living His life through the believer.
What is this resource.
 

ThewindBlows

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Repentance consists properly of these two parts: One is contrition, that is, terrors smiting the conscience through the knowledge of sin; the other is faith, which is born of the Gospel, or of absolution, and believes that for Christ’s sake, sins are forgiven, comforts the conscience, and delivers it from terrors.
The context was your requirement for salvation is confessing your sins, But applying your answer to confessing your sin how many do you have to confess, Some of them? or all of them?,or just the ones you remember? It may make you feel better about yourself but it isn't what saves
 
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Locoponydirtman

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The context was your requirement for salvation is confessing your sins, But applying your answer to confessing your sin how many do you have to confess, Some of them? or all of them?,or just the ones you remember? It may make you feel better about yourself but it isn't what saves
The context is the greater subject at hand. One statement out of the context of larger conversation .......

Never mind. Im not interested.
 

ThewindBlows

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The context is the greater subject at hand. One statement out of the context of larger conversation .......

Never mind. Im not interested.
Fair enough, I don't know the full discussion but I didn't realize there was a greater subject at hand? So I was pointing to the most important thing there is and the solution to the op as well, The Cross of Christ
 

studentoftheword

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Luke 11:43
GRK: Φαρισαίοις ὅτι ἀγαπᾶτε τὴν πρωτοκαθεδρίαν
NAS: to you Pharisees! For you love the chief seats

So the pharisees love the good seats with God's love?

Get off the gas man.

No it is not God's love it is plileo --brotherly love ---not agape ----

Strong's Exhaustive Concordance
to love
From philos; to be a friend to (fond of (an individual or an object)), i.e. Have affection for (denoting personal attachment, as a matter of sentiment or feeling;

while agapao is wider, embracing especially the judgment and the deliberate assent of the will as a matter of principle, duty and propriety: ;

This is your whole scripture here ---you just posted what you wanted to show your right --but you really are not right and you need to post the whole piece of the scripture -you will see WOE to the Pharisees ----which means this -
Strong's Concordance
ouai: alas! woe! (an expression of grief or denunciation)

Luke 11:43

New International Version

43 “Woe to you Pharisees, because you love the most important seats in the synagogues and respectful greetings in the marketplaces.

The scripture you quote here Luke 11:43 --shows you that the Pharisees wanted the best seats in the synagogue==

they were not showing Agape but phileo which is conditional love and it was used in the negative here as the Pharisees thought they were all that and wanted the best seats in the house ---- they were prideful and puffed up ----that is not Agape

Get off the gas yourself ----Jesus is alive here so no people had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit while Jesus was here on the earth ---so human love was in place --no one could show Agape ---until the Holy Spirit came into play and indwelt people --


These loves here are based on our feeling and most of the time have conditions attached to them ----- if your brother hurts you you may not like them for a while ---conditional --------------if your romantic partner doesn't pay attention to you the way you want them to you will not be content and hurt ---Conditional ----- and if you have bad feelings for your sister ---brother --mother ---father cause they do or say things you don't like ----that is Conditional =============

Agape says I don't care what they say or do to me ==I love their unlovelyness ----it has no affect on your love status as this love is Spiritual and is unconditional -it comes from the heart of a person --not the feelings or thoughts of the person ---there is no condition that can move you from this Love -----Jesus was beaten --flogged --punches ---mocked and nailed to a cross and His love ----Agape ----for His enemies remained steadfast and without malice or anger --

Philia – Brotherly Love.
  • Eros – Sensual or Romantic Love.
  • Storge – Familial Love.
 
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interesting read -----On Sin

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The Mystery in Chata and Pesha: Hebrew Words for Sin


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Posted by STEVE PHILLIPS on MARCH 31, 2018

Two of the words used for sin in Hebrew are Chata and Pesha. Why is there more than one word to describe sin? What makes Chata different from Pesha? How would we know if we have committed these offenses? Is there anything in the pictographic letters that would help us understand more and will they point to Messiah? Let’s find out.

In the Ancient Scriptures, there are at least five different Hebrew words used to describe sin. Only two of them are found in the book written by Joshua that we have been following.

In Chapter 24, which is the last chapter of his biblical narrative, Joshua gives his farewell address to the nation of Israel. The Israelites declare their allegiance to Yahweh in verse 18 saying:

Therefore will we also serve the LORD; for he is our God.​

By claiming that Yahweh is their Elohim we could conclude they have truly chosen to follow and worship the one true God, but Joshua follows with an ominous reply in verse 19:

And Joshua said unto the people, Ye cannot serve the LORD; for he is an holy God; he is a jealous God; he will not forgive your transgressions nor your sins.​

Both of the words for sin that can be found in the writings of Joshua are here in one verse. The word sin that Joshua uses is the word Chata. The word that is translated transgressions is the other Hebrew word for sin found in Joshua’s writings. That word is Pesha. Let’s investigate the information hidden in both of these words to see what the nation of Israel is guilty of doing.

In the conventional Hebrew, Chata means to sin by missing the goal or by missing the mark. Chata is spelled Chet Tet Aleph.



Chet is the picture of a fence and means private and can mean to separate or to be cut off.



Tet is the picture of the snake and means to surround, to ensnare, or to encircle and can mean in either a good or a bad way.



Aleph is the picture of the Ox and stands for the strong leader or the head of the family and can mean God the Father.

So the first mystery we see in Chata is that Joshua’s people are surrounded and cut off from God the Father even though they missed the goal or missed the mark unintentionally.

Chet is also the number 8, which when it is found in Scripture refers to a new beginning. Tet is the number 9 which is used to point to an evaluation of man resulting in judgment. Aleph is the number 1 which points to God the Father. So the judgment resulting from our missing the goal stands between God the Father and the new beginning He wants to offer us.

But remember that Tet can also mean to surround in a good way. God the Father in His evaluation has always had a plan to encircle the people He loves and provides a way for them to experience that new beginning. That plan would be revealed in Messiah.

As bad as Chata seems, the transgressions that Joshua mentioned is worse. In conventional Hebrew, Pesha is a stronger word for sin and implies a deliberate rebellion against Yahweh and His law. Pesha is spelled Pey Sheen Ayin.



Pey is the picture of the mouth and means to speak or to open.



Sheen is the picture of teeth and means to press, to consume, or to destroy and is the one letter that God uses to identify Himself.




Ayin is the picture of the eye and means to see, to know, or to experience.

So the pictographs of the word Pesha tell us that for those who deliberately rebel against the laws of Yahweh, He declares He will make them know and experience judgment and destruction. But there is good news in the numbers these three letters represent. Pey is the number 80 and points to a new birth. Sheen is the number 300 and is used to represent the final blood sacrifice of the perfect Lamb of God. Ayin is the number 70 and indicates perfect spiritual order carried out with spiritual power and significance.

Yahweh has wanted all along for His people to turn from their rebellion and let Him heal them by the perfect blood sacrifice of Yeshua Ha-Mashiach, Jesus the Christ.

But why did Joshua say that his people could not serve the LORD? Why would Yahweh not forgive their Chata, their unintentional sin, or their Pesha, their deliberate sin?

In verse 23 we get the answer:

Now therefore put away, said he, the strange gods which are among you, and incline your heart unto the LORD God of Israel.​

Unbelievably, they were still worshiping idols instead of Yahweh.

The writer of the Book of Hebrews addressed this same issue in Chapter 10 verse 26:

For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.​

The word sin used here is again the word for sin that means to miss the mark. But here we are looking at someone who is missing the mark on purpose! For this person, the blood sacrifice of Yeshua will not apply. He instead is going to suffer judgment.

For those of us who Chata or sin even though unintentional, Yahweh has preserved in the pictographs the picture of us being cut off and fenced in away from our Heavenly Father. In the pictographs in Pesha, Yahweh says we will see our intentional sin result in crushing judgment and destruction.

But it doesn’t have to end this way. As Joshua exclaimed, all we need to do is put away our idols and incline our hearts toward Yahweh. There can then be that blood sacrifice for sin that is once and for all found in Messiah.
why post these things, gematria really,? Talmudic esoteric sciences we do not need. what do you pretend to teach here? are you a false teacher?
 
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What your peddling here is false Doctrine -----and you need to strop fabricating that human love can qualify with Agape --God's love ----it cannot and you are leading people astray ----

Cognate: 25 agapáō – properly, to prefer, to love; for the believer, preferring to "live through Christ" (1 Jn 4:9,10), i.e. embracing God's will (choosing His choices) and obeying them through His power. 25
I have no idea what your first language is, but please read over the Strong's entries that you quoted. Read them carefully. And if you are an honest man, you will see that nothing you quoted states "agape is an inhuman unconditional love"

You seemed to be taking a position that agape was uncondition and beyond human ability and yet you quoted something that directly disagees with your premise. If we look at even just your first quoted section in red, it expresses that agape is a choice (choosing His choices), which therefore recognizes that agape can be conveyed by humans and that such conveyance is subject to free will (choosing His choices).

I asked you to clarify (within your worldview) a straightforward premise: if humans can't express agape, why would scripture instruct us to do so? "Love [agape] thy neighbour"

If you took the time to properly understand the entry for Strong's 25, you would understand that your position is incompatible.

What do you have to say for yourself? Do you have an ounce of integrity?