Whose Version of “Faith Alone” and “Scripture Alone”

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RaceRunner

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With respect, rewording your question is not providing context. Clearly, I'm not the only person here who sees the need for it.
Do you not believe "Faith Alone" and "Scripture Alone" is binding, and if so, whose version do you believe is binding?
 

RaceRunner

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The right Faith comes by way of Scripture -----so Scripture is needed to inbirth the right Faith in you ----

so right Faith relies on scripture ----without hearing the Scripture you can't gain the right Faith -----

So the Scripture comes first----Faith is the result of you hearing the scripture ------So the scripture is binding to you receiving the right Faith

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Whose version of "Faith Alone do you believe is binding?
 

ResidentAlien

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If you believe there is one version of "Faith Alone" and "Scripture Alone" POST IT.
I would but you're not being clear on what you mean; and I don't play guessing games. "He who answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame to him." Proverbs 18:13
 

RaceRunner

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I would but you're not being clear on what you mean; and I don't play guessing games. "He who answers a matter before he hears it, it is folly and shame to him." Proverbs 18:13
That doesn't bother me that you don't know whose version of "Faith Alone" and Scripture Alone" is binding, Whatever.
 

arthurfleminger

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"Sola Scriptura (Scriptura alone) was the “formal principle” of the Reformation—the authority that formed and shaped the entire movement from beginning to end. It meant that the Word of God was sufficient, and its purpose was to reposition the Bible as the final authority over the Church."

Pretty tough to argue the above.
It's not tough to argue at all. Scripture itself, 1 Timothy, states clearly that the 'Church is the pillar and foundation of all truth.'k And, as you state, Sola Scriptura is a man made tradition.
"Sola Scriptura (Scriptura alone) was the “formal principle” of the Reformation—the authority that formed and shaped the entire movement from beginning to end. It meant that the Word of God was sufficient, and its purpose was to reposition the Bible as the final authority over the Church."

Pretty tough to argue the above.
It's not tough to argue at all!!!!!!! Scripture, the Bible, clearly tells us that 'The Church is the pillar and foundation of all truth.' (1 Timothy) And, as you make so perfectly clear, 'Sola Scriptura' is a man made doctrine/tradition.

Are you joking? Because it's really funny that you insist on Scripture Alone, then you ignore clear Scripture for the traditions of men instead. OXYMORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

ResidentAlien

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It's not tough to argue at all. Scripture itself, 1 Timothy, states clearly that the 'Church is the pillar and foundation of all truth.'k And, as you state, Sola Scriptura is a man made tradition.
If this is correct, what role do you see for God's word in this scenario?
 

2ndTimothyGroup

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It's not tough to argue at all. Scripture itself, 1 Timothy, states clearly that the 'Church is the pillar and foundation of all truth.'k And, as you state, Sola Scriptura is a man made tradition.


It's not tough to argue at all!!!!!!! Scripture, the Bible, clearly tells us that 'The Church is the pillar and foundation of all truth.' (1 Timothy) And, as you make so perfectly clear, 'Sola Scriptura' is a man made doctrine/tradition.

Are you joking? Because it's really funny that you insist on Scripture Alone, then you ignore clear Scripture for the traditions of men instead. OXYMORON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think you meant to go off on someone else, no?
 

arthurfleminger

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If this is correct, what role do you see for God's word in this scenario?
As you, I see Scripture, the Bible both Old and New Testaments, as God's Word/Truth. We have full agreement on that. Where we disagree is 'Scripture Alone'. The Bible clearly tells u s that's not the case. When Jesus ascended He didn't leave a book, He left His Church, promised that He would be with it until the end of time, and that He would send the Holy Spirit to lead His Church to 'ALL TRUTH'..

And the canon of the New Testament didn't come in to being untii 300 years after Jesus ascended. So how could 'Scripture Alonej be true, when it was Jesus' Church that was spreading the Truth of Jesus' Gospel even when 99% of common people couldn't read or write? Do you really believe that Jesus left Christians without a source of His Truth for 300 years?????
 

Pilgrimshope

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“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your asking faith alone or scripture , but scripture builds faith. The scriptures are building blocks to shape faith by gods word

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭

if God said anything it’s true , that’s faith . The scripture is just a record of what he’s said
 

arthurfleminger

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I am referring to anyone's version of “Faith Alone” and “Scripture Alone”; Which one do you believe is binding?
You raise a great point and let me expand on it further. You can see by reading this message board that there are zillions of different definitions as to what true Faith is and just as many different interrpretations as to what different Sripture readings mean.

So, I ask, with so many different aand opposing opinions on Faith and Scripture , how do we determine who is right or wrong? Just who's Faith Alone and Scripture Alone interpretations are correct and who's are incorrect?
 

studentoftheword

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Whose version of "Faith Alone do you believe is binding?
True faith is binding to your receiving Salvation which is made available by God's Grace ------Grace comes through the right Faith ------that is how I see it
 

ResidentAlien

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As you, I see Scripture, the Bible both Old and New Testaments, as God's Word/Truth. We have full agreement on that. Where we disagree is 'Scripture Alone'. The Bible clearly tells u s that's not the case. When Jesus ascended He didn't leave a book, He left His Church, promised that He would be with it until the end of time, and that He would send the Holy Spirit to lead His Church to 'ALL TRUTH'..

And the canon of the New Testament didn't come in to being untii 300 years after Jesus ascended. So how could 'Scripture Alonej be true, when it was Jesus' Church that was spreading the Truth of Jesus' Gospel even when 99% of common people couldn't read or write? Do you really believe that Jesus left Christians without a source of His Truth for 300 years?????
It's not the book itself but the teaching it contains. The first Christians had Jesus' and the apostles' teaching from the very beginning.

Ephesians 2:19-22 says, "So then, you are no longer strangers and aliens, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit."

So we see the church would be nothing without the teachings of Christ, the apostles and the prophets.

I see where you're coming from though. You mean the Bible is the word of God and the truth, but that it's insufficient. Teachers of "new revelation" always say their teaching is in 100% agreement with the scriptures but I haven't found this to be the case. They always twist the scriptures and wander off into error of one kind or another and call it a word from the "Spirit."

That's not a solid foundation to stand on. Go ahead and stand on if you want, but I'll pass. There are already too many false teachers out there.
 

RaceRunner

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There are no "versions".
Everybody does not believe the same, there are different versions of "Faith Alone" and "Scripture Alone". Whose version of "Faith Alone" and "Scripture Alone" is binding?
 

RaceRunner

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“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

your asking faith alone or scripture , but scripture builds faith. The scriptures are building blocks to shape faith by gods word

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭11:3‬ ‭

if God said anything it’s true , that’s faith . The scripture is just a record of what he’s said
Whose "Faith Alone" is binding?
 

RaceRunner

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True faith is binding to your receiving Salvation which is made available by God's Grace ------Grace comes through the right Faith ------that is how I see it
You have to remember, any parts of your version of "Faith Alone" which are in error and contradicts another person's version of "Faith Alone" are not binding
 

Pilgrimshope

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Whose "Faith Alone" is binding?
what are you talking about ? Gods word is binding your trying to seperate faith from Gods word thats not possible

if you hear what God said and believe it’s true that’s faith if you refuse to hear what God said it can’t be faith faith is in the word of we hear and believe the word faith is planted in us

are you going to explain “ the faith of Christ “ and how that’s not us having faith in Christ ?
 

RaceRunner

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It's not the book itself but the teaching it contains. The first Christians had Jesus' and the apostles' teaching from the very beginning.

Ephesians 2:19-22 says, "So then, you are no longer strangers and aliens, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, being built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together into a dwelling place of God in the Spirit."

So we see the church would be nothing without the teachings of Christ, the apostles and the prophets.

I see where you're coming from though. You mean the Bible is the word of God and the truth, but that it's insufficient. Teachers of "new revelation" always say their teaching is in 100% agreement with the scriptures but I haven't found this to be the case. They always twist the scriptures and wander off into error of one kind or another and call it a word from the "Spirit."

That's not a solid foundation to stand on. Go ahead and stand on if you want, but I'll pass. There are already too many false teachers out there.
What happens if your version of "Faith Alone" and "Scripture Alone" is full of errors because it contradicts another person's version of "Faith Alone" and "Scripture Alone"? Which one of you is binding?