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2 Peter Chapter 2

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Correct, but that doesn’t negate my post.

As I’ve stated earlier. God’s children are never referred to as pigs or dogs.

We’re sheep. He’s our Shepherd, and He NEVER fails to find His flock.

It’s erroneous thinking that these people herein 2 Peter, or in Hebrews 6, or 2 John 1:19, were EVER born again Children of God.

That is in context of the tribulation period. And it epaks of enduring through tribulation. and in the end (when christ returns) being saved (physically)

If your doing something to keep from losing something. You are in effect trying to earn it.

It is the work of God that we believe (jesus in John 6)
of your working to endure your faith of your own power. it is your work. thus in effect. Your working to keep your salvation.

It is not my reasoning. It is basic works 101

if your doing something to earn something, Your working for it. Period

He said they were OF US.

You will twist it however you want. People do not become part of something unless they CLAIM to believe in the thing they are aprt of.

This is about those who become against christ who were once part of the church

I know many who have left. it brings pain in the church because you wonder.. Especially when someone goes and talks to them, and they say they do not believe anymore..

John is telling them they were never of us


Whatever. believe what you want..
Now you throw the old strawman arguement that all workers throw out. I never claimed it was about that.. You just will only see what you want to see. And thats fine.

My faith is in God. not in myself. if I start to trust myself to remain in the faith. someone better slap me a few times to wake me up. Because I am not trusting in God.

in context. he said there will be a great falling away

we are witnessing this today. the church is dwindling, because there is a great falling away.

Paul did not say people would fall away (lose salvation) he said there would be a falling away.

context.

does God stop you from sin? Does God stop you from becoming a prodigal son?

he does not stop your free will

but he also will not go back on his promise.

He said you will never die.. he will keep that promise..

through KNOWLEDGE

It says they KNOW the gospel. Just like Judas did.

They never acted on it and walked away.

it is far worse for them./ because they had salvation on their fingertips and let it go due to lack of faith.

Great, now we can defect and keep our salvation. Sign me up for that!

Nope. You can’t. Because if you did, you just proved you never had it.

Yeah, and the "falling away" is the rapture.

Amen, beloved. 🙏

It's also used for other seals besides the seven seals, because that's the greek word for "seal".
I think that's overreaching. The bible simply doesn't say that, and I don't think it's remotely implied either.
I could say "Everyone that has ever lived is SAVED!!!" and that would sound like good news, right? But everybody knows that's not true, and if I said that everybody on here would refute that pretty quickly and think I had lost my mind completely.

reread this again:
2 Peter Chapter 2

20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

now, reread Verse 20
20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

the only people WHO HAVE ESCAPED THE POLLUTION'S OF THE WORLD are those who are SAVED!

Peter is talking about SAVED People becoming apostate.

how can you say this is not about Believers when the only way to [[Escape the Pollution's]] is by being Saved!

Peter proves a true Believer can return back to their old ways and LOSE THEIR SALVATION!

in 1930 90% of Americans believed in God
according to Research Polls, TODAY, only 40% truly believe God is Real.

are you truly so BLIND by your False Doctrine that even true factual Evidence is not enough to WAKE YOU UP?

i have never said God removes your Salvation but you can walk away from it.

DO YOU NOT EVEN READ WHAT I SAY BEFORE ACTUALLY REPLYING BACK WITH THE EXACT WORDS I HAVE BEEN ALREADY SAYING?

He said they went out from us but were NOT of us.
Yep, and not only that- it says they escaped the pollutions of the world; so I'm pretty sure that means they had a little more than head-knowledge. Just knowing the story of Jesus' crucifixion will not escape you from the pollutions of the world, you have to go farther than that.

Nope. Nowhere does Peter say these dogs and pigs are saved. YOU inserted that.

What Peter DOES say is that they had KNOWLEDGE of Jesus, and the Gospel.

But if want to believe you can become a dog or a pig, knock yourself out.

As for me and my family, we’ll forever remain His sheep.

What do you think it means to "escape the pollutions of the world" then?