Which is Biblical 7th Day

Romans 14 makes it clear the the specific "DAY" is of no importance. The Jewish "Sabbath" is sundown Friday, thru sundown Sunday. That never changed. Personally, I go to the auditorium on Sunday, since that's when the Church Gathers. If I went there on Saturday, the Church would not be present.

Sun down Friday to Sun down Saturday..... Not sunday.

If God said do it on Saturday and the whole world said do it on Sunday, who should you obey?

If the bible tells us to keep Saturday holy and tradition tells you Sunday, who should you listen to?

Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Rom 14:6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

True it is up to each person to be fully persuaded in their own mind. God will judge. if we regard a false teaching and honour false teachings God will judge the heart. To God we obey or don't obey.

Jas 2:10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Jas 2:11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12 So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

There is absolutely no New Testament text stating that God, Jesus, or the apostles changed the Sabbath to Sunday.
The Bible states in Acts 13:14, 27, 42-44, Acts 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, and 18:4 that years after Christ had died that they worshiped on the 7th day of the week.

History clearly states that it was pagan tradidition and papal control that changed the day to Sunday.

When Emperor Constantine I—a pagan sun-worshipper—came to power in A.D. 313, he legalized Christianity and made the first Sunday-keeping law. His infamous Sunday enforcement law of March 7, A.D. 321, reads as follows: “On the venerable Day of the Sun let the magistrates and people residing in cities rest, and let all workshops be closed.” (Codex Justinianus 3.12.3, trans. Philip Schaff, History of the Christian Church, 5th ed. (New York, 1902), 3:380, note 1.)

The Sunday law was officially confirmed by the Roman Papacy at "The Council of Laodicea" in A.D. 364. “Christians shall not Judaize and be idle on Saturday but shall work on that day; but the Lord’s day they shall especially honour, and, as being Christians, shall, if possible, do no work on that day. If, however, they are found Judaizing, they shall be shut out from Christ” (Strand, op. cit., citing Charles J. Hefele, A History of the Councils of the Church, 2 [Edinburgh, 1876] 316).

Cardinal Gibbons, in Faith of Our Fathers, 92nd ed., p. 89, freely admits, “You may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we [the Catholic Church] never sanctify.”

They freely admit these claims..... Again, “The Catholic Church, … by virtue of her divine mission, changed the day from Saturday to Sunday” (The Catholic Mirror, official publication of James Cardinal Gibbons, Sept. 23, 1893)..... and again “Protestants do not realize that by observing Sunday, they accept the authority of the spokesperson of the Church, the Pope” (Our Sunday Visitor, February 5, 1950).
“Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change [Saturday Sabbath to Sunday] was her act... And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things” (H.F. Thomas, Chancellor of Cardinal Gibbons).
The Catholic Church claims that “the church is above the Bible, and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact” (Catholic Record of London, Ontario Sept 1, 1923).

This is the reason that most of the christian world worships on sunday and it is plan that it is a pagan tradition enforced by the catholic church for over a thousand years but today people think it means nothing.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
Ecc 12:14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Unless Paul was the pope it was changed prior to the pope...Acts 20:9 is one example.

I am a little late to this party but let me take a shot at your answer.

When God established the commandment to observe the day of rest, in Exodus. The Jews would have kept that day holy, by counting the number of days, in seven day blocks. This would have been kept accurate because during the 40 years in the wilderness, God provided the Manna on six of the days and not on the seventh. Since God Himself did not provide the Manna on His day of rest - this was obviously the Sabbath. The Jews would have continued this practice (Counting seven day blocks), even after they had crossed the Jordan and the Manna was no longer provided because of it's significance to their worship.

The Jews measured a day, as God measured a day. This was taken from Genesis and the Creation. God measured the day from evening to mourning:

Gen 1:5 And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day.

Therefore, a day for the Jews, starts around 6:00PM and continues to 6:00PM, the next day. The evening being 12 hours long and the mourning being twelve hours long... each broken up into watches. This is backwards, as to how the modern Gentile world views a day. We think of a day as starting in the mourning, even though our clocks put the start at mid-night. [The Gentiles are a little confused already.] The Jewish day becomes very important, when we think upon the resurrection of Jesus Christ and how to properly measure the Feast days and His time of resurrection.

By the time the Julian Calendar had been adopted, the seventh day of the Jews or Sabbath, landed upon a Saturday. (That is a bit of an over simplification but works for this discussion). Thus, the Sabbath rest, started at 6:00PM Friday and continued till 6:00PM Saturday on the Julian Calendar and this did not change, when the world, adopted the Gregorian Calendar.

However, what is vitally more important is this... When Jesus Christ rose, on the beginning of the new day, following the regular Sabbath - He put away the Jewish Sabbath and replaced it with "The Lord's Day". Which started on Saturday at 6:00PM and runs through Sunday till 6:00PM. The Lord's Day, (Which is not the same as "The Day of the Lord"), is generally - today - by the Gentiles, seen as Sunday on the Calendar because we do not measure a day as the Jews.

How could Jesus Christ set aside the Sabbath and initiate a new day, as first day of the week - called the Lord's Day? Simple. Jesus Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath and can do what He pleases:

Mark 2:27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:
Mark 2:28 therefore the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath.

Additionally, the Sabbath was not intended for uncircumcised Gentiles. They were outside the Law because it was not given to them.

I hope, in some small way, this may answer your question. Any other questions... let me know.

I am sorry, where in the scripture does it say that Jesus set aside the 7th day

It seems you are missing the point, however, in Exodus God gave Moses and Aaron to pass to the Israelites "this will be the beginning of the month and beginning of the year, so this was month of Nisan/Abib , this month had day 1 and it had day 7, further in Exodus God took Israelites out of Egypt 15th day of the first month "AFTER PASSOVER" , question is 7th day of Biblical NIsan was Lords day, which day is 7th of NIsan today?

You seem to have depth on the subject , however lets go back to Exodus when Israelites forgot Lords day under duress while in captivity for 400 years, so God gave Moses and Aaron to pass on to Israelites that this month of Nisan/Abib will be beginning of the month and beginning of the year, so first Lords 7th day Israelites kept in captivity after God gave them instructions via Moses, the next Lords Day was the 14th day of Nisan . Exodus tells us that on the 10th day of first month they were to chose the best of lams and goats and on the Dusk of the 14th day they are to slay them and cook them, the blood of the animals was to be used to mark the door jams for the angels to pass them over during killings of the firstborns. This is known even today as PASSOVER, so far you will agree with me as it is purely scripture. Now, Passover evening is 14th or beginning of the 15th is the Passover day, the point is 14th day of Month of Nisan is biblical Lords day , WHICH DAY IS THAT TODAY keeping in mind that Jews still keep Passover day as instructed by God 15th day of NIsan.

SO - I assume that you go to church on Saturday. Good for you. You obviously couldn't IN FAITH attend on Sunday.

I have no problem with Sunday attendance.

Problem solved.

Not sure what the exact nature of the OP question is?

Is it what actual day did God originally set aside as Holy... the "physical date"?
Or is it more about are we to observe that date in some special way? (if we could actually ever know it.)

Well that question, is a little outside of your original question but okay. You will not find a direct passage of Scripture that says Jesus set aside the Sabbath for His Church, which He is building but it is implied. The Sabbath was for man to rest from his labors. To contemplate what God had done for him and to worship. Christ would establish a new day for worship and meditation.

The Law concerning the Sabbath, was given to Moses to give to the Jews - the nation of Israel. It was never given to the Gentile nations. Also, there is no commandment to keep the Jewish Sabbath in the New Testament Apostolic letters. When Jesus Christ died upon the cross, He finished the fulfillments of the Law. Both moral and ceremonial aspects, having kept all perfectly.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up his spirit.

Jesus Christ also summed up the Ten Commandments into two laws and keeping the Sabbath was not part of it, nor were the other individual moral portions of the Law. By doing so, He took the letter of the Law and progressed it to the spirit of the Law. Remember what He said:

Mat 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, testing him, and saying,
Mat 22:36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Mat 22:38 This is the first and great commandment.
Mat 22:39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
Mat 22:40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

When Christ rose from the dead, it was at the end of the Jewish Sabbath and the beginning of the Lord's Day and what Scripture calls the "first day of the week"

John 20:1 Now on the first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, while it was yet dark, unto the tomb, and seeing the stone taken away from the tomb.

As early, as the book of Acts, we see believers gathering on the "first day of the week" for worship and edification.

Acts 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The Jews, having rejected their Messiah and His teachings, still gathered on the Sabbath to worship. In the book of Acts, we will read that many times, the Apostle Paul would go into the Synagogue on the Sabbath day, to preach to the Jews. This makes perfectly good sense because Paul knew, the largest audience of the Jews would be on this day and the Apostle Paul had a great love for his countrymen and wanted them to come to the Truth.

While the Church, which Christ is building, comes together on the first day of the week - unlike the Jews - preaching and reading of the Scriptures maybe done on any day, to any given audience.

Here are a few other points to consider from the Scriptures:

The Lord presented Himself, for the first time, to the disciples on the first day of the week and not the Sabbath.

John 20:19 When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in the midst, and says unto them, Peace be unto you.

Paul reminds the Corinthian church, about their collection of goods, for the less fortunate Saints, which is to take place when they gather on the first day of the week:

1Cor 16:1 Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.
1Cor 16:2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.

When Jesus Christ came to John, to write the Revelation of Jesus Christ - Christ came on the "Lord's Day" - the first day of the week... not the Sabbath.

Rev_1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and I heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet

Finally, if one does a word search for "sabbath", "sabbaths" or the Greek word: σαββάτων - it appears only "once" in the Pauline Epistles. (Col 2:16) - not at all in the General Apocryphal letters, (James -Jude) - and not once in the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Yet, the word appeared 50 times while Jesus Christ was standing on Jewish Ground. Therefore, as believers, we can imply the Sabbath is not for us or the true church. However, if one wishes to acknowledge it, they are free to do so. Just as one is free to be circumcised. But neither will make you anything before the eyes of God.

Hope that helps clarify the point I made earlier.

You assume wrong, i dont go to church any day, it seems that i can not ask a question, i will not assume you are going to church at all but i was merely asking a question, Sabbath /Shabbath in Hebrew means rest, so 7th day is Biblically Lords day , ok some of your have interpretations which day that might be that i understand but in my opinion, neither Saturday nor Sunday are biblically correct, but it all depends if Lord should have a day and if its to be 7th day by which calendar do we count?

If you don't bother with Church, and "forsake the gathering of yourselves together", then none of it matters SPIT one way or the other.

If you ever participated on a sports team you know that you have to practice, a lot, before you play in a game. You have a lot of drills, like up downs, sprints, line drills, etc. that you don't do during the game. They absolutely help with your playing but you don't do them during the game. You would look totally silly and get yelled at by those who KNOW what they are doing.

That is the whole OT. It is practice for the Real Thing. All the Laws, all the holy days, were all practice for what the Lord Jesus would give us when it was His Time to give them.

Its all explained, ad naseum, in the New Testament. But heres a snippet of what the 7th day represented.

Hebrews 4:4-10
4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.
6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.


So you can see, the PRACTICE of a religious observance isn't the point. The point is to ENTER into the Rest given by Christ.

If you deny this FACT then you deny the Work of the Lord Jesus Christ. You basically misunderstand the whole NT and place Christians back under a yoke of bondage.

This is how that rest is entered into;

Matthew 11:28-30
28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.


All ye that labour and are heavy laden? With what? With PRACTICING the OT. You don't have to do up downs anymore. You're done with line drills. Its time to get in the game and do the real thing.

Galatians 3:24-26
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.



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This has no validity. It is completely presumptuous.
Jesus rose on sunday (the first day of the week), but this does not prove that the sabbath day was changed.

Jesus rested on the sabbath.

Rev 1:10 I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, ....
There is no way to prove this day was sunday.

Jesus died on friday. So why not claim that friday is the new sabbath?

negative.

Jesus rose on sat night, after the Sabbath had ended.

the women went to the tomb sun. morning.

while Matthew can be translated in a way that points to the women going late sat. afternoon after the Sabbath had ended, the other 3 Gospels make it clear that they went sun. morning.

Each month and year for Israel was a little different to today.
But yes they counted the days in the months to know when their feasts and holy days were coming.
The seven festivals do not necessarily occur on weekly (seventh-day) Sabbaths and are called by the name miqra ("called assembly") in Hebrew (Lev. 23).
They were yearly sabbaths and sometimes the weekly sabbath was on the same day as the yearly sabbath, it was a high sabbath.

Joh 19:31 KJV The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.

Its not about which day Jesus rose. It is about the claim that Jesus changed the Sabbath from the seventh day to the first day.
There is no proof that Jesus made this change so it is presumption.

No i dont

I agree with you, but a key difference is what divides our views..
You have removed all the laws in the OT.
I believe a law was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; Gal 3:19. This law was nailed to the cross and was our schoolmaster. Like you stated it was to bring us to Christ.

Christ is the solution to sin.
And all the laws that dealt with sin were different to the moral law that identified sin.

Jesus is the solution to sin and gives us rest from sin.
If there is no law to identify sin we don't need the solution.