Born Again and Salvation—Are They The Same Thing?

The New Testament certainly does have many, many verses.

Thy all support and never deny the completed work of spiritual salvation in and by Christ Jesus in us when we accept His gift.

Yes, we have salvation if we hold firm our faith in His completed work to the end. Whenever you're reading your Bible, notice all the "if" statements. In other words, this or that will be the result if we do this or that.

Give me one where spiritual salvation is temporary or based on our own effort to complete it?

I'm not here to teach or convince. If you read the Bible you'll find them if you want to. And if you don' want to I might as well be talking to a brick wall.

Right.

I know all verses that conditional salvationists use, if you do not understand that salvation, being born again is declared by God to be a irrevocable status conferred by God as adopted sons and daughters in this life time and into the next, then you have not understood the Gospel.

You never wanted verses, you only wanted a debate. Sorry to disappoint.

I asked for verse, plain and simple.

Correct. What the naysayers need to understand is that the New Birth is IRREVERSIBLE. Just like no infant can be "unborn" once it comes out of the mother's womb, no child of God can be "unborn" after God brings about the supernatural New Birth. Which confirms the eternal security of the believer. At the same time the Bible makes it crystal clear that this is not a license to sin but a guarantee of eventual perfection. Therefore Christians are commanded to purify themselves, even as Christ is pure (1 John 3:1-3).

If you are referring to glorification, then "Yes". If you are referring to justification, then "No". See Romans 8:29,30. To be justified is to be DECLARED RIGHTEOUS by God right now. It is to receive imputed righteousness right now. It is to be born again right now. Salvation is not based upon what you do but what God does for Christ's sake.

OP are you asking this because you dont know?

no

Paul was citing Isaiah 22:13 when God called for the people to weep and wail but instead, they succumbed to their fate in destruction, and threw a party in order to succor it. The sin God refers to in v. 14,
“Until your dying day,
this sin of yours will never be atoned for,”
is the sin that, v. 11b, "...but you did not look to the One who made it, or consider Him who planned it long ago."
I'd say this is not saved, since they did not trust in the One who could save them. Wouldn't you say that is 'without hope'? which Paul was not though he would-be, if it weren't for acquiring hope, i.e. being saved.

The similarities between being saved and born again is the similarity between the etymology of save and safe, one is a verb the other is an adjective. As per google, "what is the difference between save and safe"

• You save someone from harm or danger while something or someone is safe when it is secure or free from harm or injury.

Fair comment about

Fair comment about the Isaiah reference, but Paul's quote in isolation seems to be that of Paul himself, rather than that of the unsaved.

It isn't applicable to just Paul himself but to all of us. When faced with our mortality and the limited time we've been given under the sun, except for the hope of eternity that we've received as a sure promise we'd all want to just "live it up."

There is a huge amount of atheists who don't want to simply "live it up" if I understand the phrase as it's meant - ie - eat, drink and be merry in a base and/ or self-indulgent way. There are "higher" forms of enjoyment - eg - reading, art - and other forms of endeavor - as well as practical activity, such as helping others to become more comfortable in their "hopeless" existence.

I guess what I can't get my head around is the idea that being born again means we're "zapped" and become a better version of ourselves. We become a new creation in Christ, but I know of no passages that state we are anything else but dead apart from Him. We aren't fully saved until the perfect comes and then we become like Him.

"Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is." 1 John 3:2

We only have the natural birth to compare the experience of spiritual birth with so, though there is probably a 'world' of difference, I'd imagine there are similarities to go by, again considering that's all we have to go by. But there are a lot of questions that might help if they can be answered, including:
At what point are we spiritually birthed?
When is the child considered a son or daughter?
Even though a natural birth can be aborted, does the child cease to be a son or daughter?
It would seem to me to be that, upon conception, the child continues to develop as a son or daughter even though its gender is not clear until a certain point, it remains a child of the father and the mother. It progressed from two to four to sixteen etc. cells until fully developed and is then birthed. However, it really can't do anything other than trust its parents to keep its appointment at birth or reject it the opportunity. But surely, God is much more on all counts than any earthly parent.

Ecclesiastes 3:11

Simple answer, yes.

See post #36. He is trying to understand what 'born again' is. So am I.