Pentecost, was it the birthday of The Church?

Precious friend(s):

IF it was, why don't we (as some try to) "use it as model" for the current
church, Or, Did God "Change Dispensations" from law To GRACE, Thus


Pentecost - Was it the birthday of the church? (Part I)
Pentecost - Was it the birthday of the church? (Part II)

GRACE, Peace, And JOY...

Hello Grace Ambassador, Interesting, Love, Walter and Debbie

Acts 2

Filling With The Holy Ghost

1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.

2 And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.

3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Speaking With Other Tongs

5 And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven.

6 Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.

7 And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans?

8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,

10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,

11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.

12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?

13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.

Peter Explains Pentecost

14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.

16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;

17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy:

19 And I will shew wonders in heaven above, and signs in the earth beneath; blood, and fire, and vapour of smoke:

20 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and notable day of the Lord come:

21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.

22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:

23 Him, being delivered by the determinate counsel and foreknowledge of God, ye have taken, and by wicked hands have crucified and slain:

24 Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death: because it was not possible that he should be holden of it.

25 For David speaketh concerning him, I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand, that I should not be moved:

26 Therefore did my heart rejoice, and my tongue was glad; moreover also my flesh shall rest in hope:

27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

28 Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.

29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Practices Of The Early Church

42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

43 And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.

44 And all that believed were together, and had all things common;

45 And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Love, Walter and Debbie

No, it was not.

The day Christ was baptized was the beginning of it - with Jesus "annointed" as the head of it.

Then, afterward, He went about adding to it...

Nope. John 20:22 was when the disciples became the church having been indwelled by the Holy Spirit, which made them Christians.

THEN Jesus told 'em to hang around Jerusaelm until they were "ENDUED" (externally clothed) with power from on high, which happened on Schedule as recorded at Acts 2:4.

John 20:22 = the Holy Spirit IN the disciples.
Acts 2:4 = The Holy Spirit ON the disciples

Of course it was. And the first church at Jerusalem should be the model for every church. Just because that is not the case does not invalidate the principle.

But the gift of the Holy Spirit needed to be "poured out upon all flesh". That was "the Holy Spirit of promise". And that happened only on the day of Pentecost. The feast of Pentecost pre-figured the harvest of souls in Jerusalem on that day.

However the "Birth of the CHURCH" was when people FIRST BECAME CHRISTIANS - i.e. became the Church at John 20:22 the Evening of the Resurrection, when that first became possible.

Amen the church is the body of Christ

just like Jesus received the holy ghost at baptism , the church would later receive the holy ghost belng baptized in him

the church is an extension of Christ life on earth walking among men having the holy spirit of God within them the sons of God on him are the church and it was definately manifest at Christs birth and again at his baptism and again after his death and resurrection

"Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, in whom the whole building, being fitted together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord, in whom you also are being built together for a dwelling place of God in the Spirit." Ephesians 2:19-22

I don't care about a theological debate on whether it started at His baptism, or His death or His resurrection or whatever. But it's clear that any discussion of when the church started has to revolve around Christ as the cornerstone. We're His body; if not for Him there would be no church.

Ephesians 2:19-22

Why did Paul feel it necessary to appeal to the church at Jerusalem settle the dispute that had arisen at Antioch?

That's true.

The 11 disciples in John 20:22 had what Romans 8 describes prior to the day of Pentecost. They were the first church members. So the church began prior to Pentecost.

Romans 8:10,11
10But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. 11And if the Spirit of him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, he who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of his Spirit who lives in you.