"Is There More Than one Gospel?...

GRACE_ambassador · Aug 28, 2022

...For many who have come to see and rejoice in what Paul called “the
preaching of Jesus Christ According To The Revelation Of The Mystery,”
that Revelation is so vast and touches upon so many subjects that they
are often at a loss as to where to begin to share it with those who need
to know.

Paul’s Distinctive preaching of The Gospel Of Grace is an excellent
place to start, for it shows that The Revelation is not a side issue but
a fundamental one...

...When we come to the New Testament, many details surrounding the teaching
and preaching of Christ show Major Distinctions between what the Bible calls
the Gospel of the Kingdom and The Gospel Of The Grace of God. The following
points show these Distinctions.

1. The Distinctive terminology alone would strongly imply a difference between
these Two Gospels...

The Gospel of the Kingdom is simply God’s good news about His kingdom,
a kingdom that was (and is) to be established on earth with Christ as king
(Jer. 23:5-6; Isa. 2:2-4; 11:1-9). It was prophesied by Israel’s prophets in
the Old Testament and proclaimed “at hand” in the New Testament.

The Gospel of the Grace of God is God’s Good News About His Grace Reigning
like a king on the throne (Rom. 5:20-21). It was a new Revelation that came to
Paul, the apostle, directly from The Resurrected Christ In Heaven
(Gal. 1:11-12; 2:2; Acts 20:24).

Both of these gospels deal with salvation from sin, but each address a
different people, at different times, and under different circumstances...

...7. Preaching the Gospel of the Kingdom, Christ spoke of giving His life “a
ransom for many” and His blood “shed for many” (Matt. 20:28; 26:28). This
would refer to His people Israel, for the angel of The LORD had commanded
Joseph that “thou shalt call His Name JESUS: for He Shall Save His people
from their sins” (Matt. 1:21). Israel was Jesus’ people, for He Himself was
a Jew.

Preaching The Gospel Of The Grace of God, Paul spoke of Christ, “Who Gave
Himself A Ransom for all, to be testified in due time” (1 Tim. 2:6). This Gospel
included both Jews and Gentiles. The due time for its proclamation was after
Israel rejected the preaching of the gospel of the kingdom under John, Jesus,
and the twelve. Paul was converted and commissioned to preach The Gospel
Of Grace to the whole world (Acts 26:16-20)...
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(K Lawson)

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LoveBrokeThru · Aug 28, 2022

The "Gospel of the Kingdom" will be preached by the 144,000 Jews in the Great Trib.

That means that the "Gospel of the Grace of God" or what Paul declared is "my Gospel" 3x in the NT, has ended, as the "time of the Gentiles is OVER.

phil36 · Aug 28, 2022

The simple answer is no. There is only one gospel. As Mark says the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son od God.

John the baptist and Jesus both priclaim:

The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand, repent and believe the gospel (Matt 3:2; Mark 1:15) and we can't forget the discussion Jesus had with Nicodemus:

For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

And what did the Apostle Paul say?

For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but i of righteousness and j peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Whoever thus serves Christ is k acceptable to God and approved by men. Rom 14:17ff.

Ultra/hyper dispensationalism just doesn't stand up to scripture. One Gospel!

studentoftheword · Aug 28, 2022

My view

Nehemiah6 · Aug 28, 2022

GRACE_ambassador said:

There is ONLY ONE GOSPEL. And Paul included "the Gospel of the Kingdom" in "the Gospel of Grace" (which also has multiple designations).

And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him. (Acts 28:30,31)

Hyper-Dispensationalism (or Ultra-Dispensationalism) is in error in many of its teachings. And therefore it gives Dispensationalism a bad name. BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS.

The Gospel is essentially the Good News of Christ. And it encompasses both His first and second Comings.

phil36 · Aug 28, 2022

Nehemiah6 said:

There is ONLY ONE GOSPEL. And Paul included "the Gospel of the Kingdom" in "the Gospel of Grace" (which also has multiple designations).

And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him,
Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him. (Acts 28:30,31)

Hyper-Dispensationalism (or Ultra-Dispensationalism) is in error in many of its teachings. And therefore it gives Dispensationalism a bad name. BEWARE OF FALSE TEACHERS.

I would agree that they bring a bad name to dispensationalism even though I'm not a dispensationalist.

John146 · Aug 28, 2022

phil36 said:

The simple answer is no. There is only one gospel. As Mark says the Gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son od God.

John the baptist and Jesus both priclaim:

The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand, repent and believe the gospel (Matt 3:2; Mark 1:15) and we can't forget the discussion Jesus had with Nicodemus:

For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking, but of righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Spirit, 18 because anyone who serves Christ in this way is pleasing to God and receives human approval.

And what did the Apostle Paul say?

For the kingdom of God is not a matter of eating and drinking but i of righteousness and j peace and joy in the Holy Spirit. Whoever thus serves Christ is k acceptable to God and approved by men. Rom 14:17ff.

Ultra/hyper dispensationalism just doesn't stand up to scripture. One Gospel!

Can you plainly state the gospel unto salvation? thanks

John146 · Aug 28, 2022

Nehemiah6 said:

The kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom. The gospel of the kingdom is something entirely different. The gospel of the kingdom is the good news to the Jews concerning their promised earthly kingdom with their Messiah reigning on David's throne in Jerusalem.

phil36 · Aug 28, 2022

John146 said:

I think it would be more interesting helpful for you to tell us what type of gospel you believe jesus preached since you think it's a different gospel than Paul's. Bare in mind what Paul himself says. Basically, anyone who preches/teaches a different gospel than 'his' gospel is accursed. According to you guys (hyper dispensationalism) Paul and Jesus taught 2 different gospels.. You have a serious problem!

John146 · Aug 28, 2022

phil36 said:

I think it would be more interesting helpful for you to tell us what type of gospel you believe jesus preached since you think it's a different gospel than Paul's. Bare in mind what Paul himself says. Basically, anyone who preches/teaches a different gospel than 'his' gospel is accursed. According to you guys (hyper dispensationalism) Paul and Jesus taught 2 different gospels.. You have a serious problem!

Gospel of the kingdom…see Post #8

John146 · Aug 28, 2022

phil36 said:

After the kingdom was postponed because the Jews rejected their Messiah, the gospel given to Paul is the only gospel to be preached. The gospel of the kingdom is not to be preached anymore.

John146 · Aug 28, 2022

Nehemiah6 said:

The gospel unto salvation is how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day. This was a hidden mystery until after it was accomplished. Certainly, Jesus and his disciples were not preaching this specific message.

1 Corinthians 15:
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

phil36 · Aug 28, 2022

John146 said:

But what was the substance of jesus gospel.. What good news did he teach?

And, when Paul, as was his habit, went to the Jews first did he preach a different gospel to the Jews than the greeks(gentile)?

John146 · Aug 28, 2022

phil36 said:

The good news of Israel’s restored kingdom with himself as King.

Luke 1
67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,
68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,
69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;
70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:
71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;
72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;
73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,
74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,
75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

phil36 · Aug 28, 2022

John146 said:

Yeah, so how does Jesus save his people..?

How does Jesus save the Jews differently than the Gentiles?

Now remember Paul as Acts tells us made it his habit to go to the Jews first.. Then the Gentiles. Does jesus save the Jews in a different way than the Gentiles.? Since Paul tells us we are now one.. Jew and gentile, and that the Gentiles have been grafted in.

oyster67 · Aug 28, 2022

"Is There More Than one Gospel?...

No. The Gospel is the good news that God gave His Son so that all who would come to the foot of the cross might obtain Salvation through His shed blood. There is no other path or way.

John 3
14And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

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John146 · Aug 28, 2022

phil36 said:

Through the cross which was hidden since the world began. He was preparing them to receive him. It wasn't revealed until after it happened. But they rejected the resurrection of their Messiah. God turned to the Gentiles with the preaching of the cross.

SomeDisciple · Aug 29, 2022

I don't know how anyone in good conscience can publish this garbage.

Point 1: terminology implies 2 different Gospels.
No, it doesn't even suggest 2 different gospels.

Point 2: Jesus/apostles/JTB preached the kingdom to Israel, while Paul preached the Gospel of grace to the gentiles, and that superseded the kingdom.
This is basically a repetition of the original assertion, and doesn't even make a point.

Point 3: The gospel of the kingdom focuses on the person of Jesus, while the Gospel of grace focuses on the cross. (also, Jesus didn't preach the gospel of grace).
First of all, Jesus wasn't dead yet, and had to give the opportunity for Jews to accept him, even though they were never going to (he did try to explain to the apostles that he was going to die, they just didn't want to accept it). After Jesus' resurrection, the Apostles preached the Gospel and it was the SAME as the Gospel Paul preached.

The statement that Jesus didn't preach the Gospel of Grace is disgusting. I don't even want to address it. If you don't see grace in Jesus, then you don't know what grace is.

1COR15
3for I delivered to you first, what also I did receive, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Writings, 4and that he was buried, and that he hath risen on the third day, according to the Writings, 5and that he appeared to Cephas, then to the twelve, 6afterwards he appeared to above five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain till now, and certain also did fall asleep; 7afterwards he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. 8And last of all — as to the untimely birth — he appeared also to me, 9for I am the least of the apostles, who am not worthy to be called an apostle, because I did persecute the assembly of God, 10and by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace that [is] towards me came not in vain, but more abundantly than they all did I labour, yet not I, but the grace of God that [is] with me; 11whether, then, I or they, so we preach, and so ye did believe.

Compared to ACTS 3
13The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus. You handed Him over and rejected Him before Pilate, even though he had decided to release Him. 14You rejected the Holy and Righteous One and asked that a murderer be released to you. 15You killed the Author of life, but God raised Him from the dead, and we are witnesses of the fact.
16By faith in the name of Jesus, this man whom you see and know has been made strong. It is Jesus’ name and the faith that comes through Him that has given him this complete healing in your presence.
17And now, brothers, I know that you acted in ignorance, as did your leaders. 18But in this way God has fulfilled what He foretold through all the prophets, saying that His Christ would suffer.

ITS ALL THE SAME INFORMATION, JUST WITH DIFFERET WORDS.

Point 4: The Gospel of the Kingdom required water baptism "for" salvation. Paul's gospel doesn't and refuses works of righteousness and legalistic requirements.
Nowhere does Paul say that he stopped baptizing people altogether, or tell anyone else to stop baptizing. The very chapter where Paul said "I was not sent to baptize" isn't even really about baptism- it's about the status of apostles as God's instruments, and how one should not be regarded over the other. The fact that Paul has to tell them it doesn't matter who baptized them just demonstrates they were still water baptizing. I put the word "for" in quotes because this word is a point of contention. In acts 3 we don't see Peter saying "get baptized in order to be saved". Baptism, like all works are "because we are saved". If you're saved, it's going to change you so that you do things like obey simple directions like "be baptized in the name of of Jesus".

Point 5: The Gospels of the kingdom required the disciples to endure to the end. Paul's gospel only requires faith.
Enduring to the end is the same as keeping the faith. Paul is clear that heretics can overthrow/overturn/destroy people's faith if you believe them.
But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.”

Point 6: The Gospel of the Kingdom affirms the necessity of rituals and ordinances... we are not under the law during the Gospel of Grace dispensation.
The old covenant was fulfilled when Jesus died. The Apostles taught that salvation came from believing on the Lord Jesus, just like Paul did after them.

Point 7: Christ spoke of dying for many, while the Gospel of Grace teaches that he died for all.
This is a semantic distinction that is superficial.

Point 8: Under the gospel of the kingdom, the crucifixion was bad news; while under the gospel of grace it is good news.
Peter is preaching that Jesus opened the door for eternal life and that's "bad news"?

Point 9: Under the Gospel of the Kingdom, Christ was raised from the dead to sit on David's throne, According to the Gospel of Grace he was raised for our justification.
Both of those things are happening, so I don't know why you would try to separate them under different Gospels.

Point 10: In the gospel of the kingdom Israel is the channel of salvation to the world, under the gospel of grace it's the church.
Again, you're just taking prophecy and turning it into a separate Gospel. It's not a separate gospel.

Point 11: The gospel of the kingdom is called the "gospel of the circumcision" while the gospel of grace is called the "gospel of the uncircumcision"
1 gospel, 2 different groups of people. This is about different areas of responsibility and not different Gospels.

Point 12: The gospel of it's kingdom has as its hope the return of Jesus to earth to take over, while the gospel of grace has as its hope the rapture.
Again, rolling prophecy into a different "Gospel".

JaumeJ · Aug 29, 2022

To the OP, there is but One Gospel, that of Jesus Yeshua. Paul writes if anyone comes claiming another gospel, let him be accursed, using his terminology.

Evmur · Aug 29, 2022

GRACE_ambassador said:

I have time for MAD

The difference I see is not between what Jesus preached [much of which went over the disciples heads] and what Paul enlarged upon. There was certainly a difference between the Jewish perception and Paul ... Paul took the grist, the root of the matter to Jerusalem over the Antioch affair, to be decided upon by the whole church. Paul won the day and the other apostles submitted to Paul's understanding [which he had by revelation]

MAD takes it a little too far when they draw from this that the Jews will not be saved until Jesus comes again. Our salvation is exactly the same as theirs ... WE are brought into THEIR covenant, their commonwealth. But on different terms, i.e by pure grace and a faith which is given to us ... so are they but they couldn't get their heads around it, they were pickled in Moses who was everywhere preached among Jewry.

WHO will be saved "at the time appointed"? when Jesus returns? and this is more controversial than ever. ETHNIC Israel, the nation that now is and they are the ones who will inherit the earth and the kingdom will be manifestly rolled out from Jerusalem.
"they will look upon Him whom they have pierced and mourn for Him as for a firstborn son" God will pour upon the nation a spirit of compassion and supplication. All Israel will be saved.

Abe, Ike and Jake with all the Jewish saints old and new testament, they's with us, or we are joined with them in the heavenly kingdom.

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