Did Isaiah speak in tongues in Isaiah 28:10

yes I agree good thoughts If we just let it say what it says and over time sink in and change our thinking to agree with what it says , we’ll get it . the way is just to hear it , and grasp what we are able to grasp and believe and let it change our mind about what God really said and let it change our ways and doings in Gods sight , who he has called to be his children and salvation inheriting eternal Life this subject for instance

“And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah , which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; And seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

For this people's heart is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes they have closed; Lest at any time they should see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And should understand with their heart, And should be converted, and I should heal them.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

this isn’t just random but God has ancient reasons for this

“For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes: the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered.

And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot; for it is sealed:

and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.

Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men:

therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭29:10-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he shall be for a sanctuary; but for a stone of stumbling and for a rock of offence to both the houses of Israel, for a gin and for a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem. And many among them shall stumble, and fall, and be broken, and be snared, and be taken.”
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭8:14-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

I’m sure you already know the ot prophets and how often these things are repeated but then in acts Paul is still talking about it when he’s preaching the gospel to Jews in rome

“And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening. And some believed the things which were spoken, and some believed not.

And when they agreed not among themselves, they departed, after that Paul had spoken one word, Well spake the Holy Ghost by Esaias the prophet unto our fathers, saying, Go unto this people, and say, Hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; And seeing ye shall see, and not perceive: For the heart of this people is waxed gross, And their ears are dull of hearing, And their eyes have they closed; Lest they should see with their eyes, And hear with their ears, And understand with their heart, And should be converted, And I should heal them.


Be it known therefore unto you, that the salvation of God is sent unto the Gentiles, and that they will hear it.

And Paul dwelt two whole years in his own hired house, and received all that came in unto him, preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭28:23-28, 30-31‬ ‭

Israel worshipped every god under the sun in the Old Testament , but they never worshipped God instead they provoked him repeatedly and repeatedly they were blinded by thier sinful and hard hearts so they got Moses word of the law which is the actual veil over thier eyes

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

and not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished:

but their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ.

But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.”
‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭3:12-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Israel’s biggest obstacle is not understanding thier covenant and it’s prophetic nature promising Jesus Christ and the gospel later

“For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“The law and the prophets were until John:

since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭16:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The apostles were still preaching to both gentile and Jew all along after the resurrection they were still trying to convince Jews to convert to Christianity and many did they were arguing from the law and prophets about Jesus trying to convince Jews who knew the scriptures

“and he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you. And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭3:20-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

thier blindness will end the moment they accept the gospel of the kingdom and see the light as Will any other mans blindness end when they turn to the lord and his word

Of course he did - Paul was the apostle to the Gentiles – it stands to reason he would use his knowledge of foreign languages more than the average person to spread the Gospel, and thanked God for giving him the ability to do so. A frequent use of foreign languages was sort of part of his “job description”. He’s not advocating for modern tongues-speech here.

And a few from Hebrew -
Ari - lion
Dov - bear
Kaleb/Caleb - dog
Namir - leopard


Here's a few more -
Conan - hound/wolf (Gaelic)
Ulv/Ulf/Ulvr - wolf (Germanic)
Tangi - fire dog (Breton)
Corvin - raven (Latin)
Philip - horse lover (Greek)

And let's not forget a slew of English names.

Animal naming conventions are rather common - not sure I get you're point.

Act 2, of course wasn't gibberish, because the disciples spoke the languages of the various nations in attendance (unless of course, you ascribe to the "Miracle of hearing" version). A partial list of the languages spoken is given in Acts 2.

In the Corinthians 14case, apparently NOBODY understands what is spoken without the gift of interpretation being involved.

Over the last 5 decades, I've observed / received testimonies of:

People speaking in a language UNDERSTOOD by the hearer(s) AND interpreted into the common tongue by the Gift of interpretation - and both versions matched.

People speaking in the COMMON TONGUE, and additionally being understood in one or more languages by people of various ethnicities.

People Speaking in tongues that NOBODY understood, and a subsequent Interpretation of the tongues given either by the tongues speaker themselves, OR more commonly by another gifted to interpret (Which I've done on several occasions). in 2022 his appears to be the most common manifestation. In our church (Crossroads AG, DeSoto, TX) the Senior Pastor typically interprets.

Personal observation: An utterance in a tongue in a meeting DOES NOT necessarily match in content what the Interpretation states. WE had a fellow who could be expected to rip off in a tongue every meeting - and ALL HIS UTTERANCES were essentially identical - same length, same words in the same order, just like clockwork. So I "Wrote him off" as a "flake" - until he did it again one evening, and I was burdened to interpret his "tongue". SO I did. And learned in the process to not be so judgmental of other people's giftings.

It's been YEARS since I've been burdened to interpret - BUT since NOBODY HAS THE GIFTS - The Holy Spirit has them, and burdens whomever He will Whenever He wills to manifest them according to HIS timing.

And, of course there's the PRIVATE use of tongues which Paul states to be PERSONALLY EDIFYING - even though it's only the SPirit speaking and our UNDERSTANDING is "unfruitful". And there's the Non-Tongues instance in Rom 8:26 where the Spirit is making intercession for us, and NO UTTERANCE is made.

only the clever make it a habit to play dumb

Yes, we are on the same page. I don't think that it was gibberish in Acts 2 but there were some MOCKING who thought it was. This may very well be a fulfillment of prophesy in Isaiah 28 that they would mock it.

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I hope yall are doing well over there in DeSoto. I have a friend who's uncle pastored there for many years. Pastor Lewis. I lived in Dallas, and Garland most of my life. I am now in Upstate New York. I don't miss the heat.

And THIS YEAR has been miserable - 42 days over 100 degrees, and as high as 106. not as bad as 1980 where there were 64 days above 100, 10 days over 105, and 5 days over 110.

BUT the hot streak seems to be over for the year, as we turn the corner into Fall finally. I'm SO ready my electric bill for July was over $760.

I played Blugrass with the folks on Garland square (by the Plaza Theater) for years in the '90s.

I never met Pastor Lewis (James Lewis???).

Kavik is not a believer but makes it his business to interpret er...interrupt...threads on tongues.

I'm wondering though, (didn't really read much of the thread so this might have been said) since the Holy Spirit was not given to believers until the day of Pentecost and the believers in Christ were told to wait, why would Isaiah be 'speaking in tongues?'

Isaiah is a prophet. He is prophesying.

If you look into the matter, it can be seen that one of Judah's sins was drunkenness. Seems v. 9 & 10 are usually understood as sarcasm against the scoffs of those who mock the prophet. In fact, scholars actually believe that the short words or sounds are Isaiah mocking the drunks. Not to be mistaken for the gift of tongues given by the Holy Spirit at Pentecost.

I would ask, why would the prophet write down 'tongues?' in the middle of his warnings against Judah?

Personally, (and this is concluded in many commentaries) I believe that the stammering speech is reference to the mockers and in a kind of metaphor, Isaiah states they will hear another kind of stammering speech when the invaders overrun them. That would have been the Assyrians who did in fact invade and conquer with great ruin and death.

I really do not believe or see context for any kind of speaking in tongues in the OT. (other than in prophecy which is fulfilled in the NT and to this day)

well I see you might have done a little study on it. I do not agree with your position on the gifts of the Holy Spirit...not that you can actually understand them anyway seeing as you are not a believer....but I do agree with the above quote

I think that is a reference to being unintelligible. Not a gift of the Spirit. Paul was correcting the Corinthians in their manner of behavior during meetings.

Not sure where you see unbelievers being condemned since the emphasis is for unbelievers to be able to understand and be saved as they were on the day of Pentecost. Hence Paul's correction and instruction on the use of tongues in a public meeting.

Why would that be? Isn't the Holy Spirit given to all who ask and isn't wisdom given by that same Spirit? Surely not just to one person that interprets by taking verses out of context and trying to make a case for proof that tongues are real'

Pardon my straight forward manner here and don't take it for rudeness, but you put the question out and sorry, but it really is without context and does not make sense in the middle of a prophecy about the Assyrians invading.

I have a suspicion that most people are misunderstanding what Paul meant by saying it was a sign for unbelievers. I don't think he meant that it would caused them to believe. By quoting Isaiah 28 I get the impression he is saying that it would be a sign that will leave them without excuse. Or something like that.
He uses Prophecy as the example of an unbeliever experiencing the sign of prophecy and turning from unbelief to believing and calls prophecy the sign to the believer.

20Brothers and sisters, don’t be childish in your thinking, but be infants in regard to evil and adult in your thinking.a 21It is written in the law,

says the Lord. 22Speaking in tongues, then, is intended as a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers, while prophecy is not for unbelievers but for believers. 23If, therefore, the whole church assembles together and all are speaking in tongues and people who are outsiders or unbelievers come in, will they not say that you are out of your minds? 24But if all are prophesying and some unbeliever or outsider comes in, he is convicted by all and is called to account by all. 25The secrets of his heart will be revealed, and as a result he will fall facedown and worship God, proclaiming, “God is really among you.”a

Figuring out... (ṣaw lāṣāw ṣaw lāṣāw qaw lāqāw qaw lāqāw zeʿêr šām zeʿêr šām),

That is a deep topic. Most are not going to take the time to understand what the question is and will respond about things that are not really getting closer to the answer.

I think that the reason I have never heard about it before now is that most people will step over it and say "too deep... not going there..." or "too controversial, and who can really know for sure.."

This is one of those deeper topics the require a little work on the part of the bible student.

I do agree that the Holy Spirit can guide us. However I also agree that the same Holy Spirit will tell me not to argue with anyone about it if I think that He is leading me to a different conclusion than how it is popularly preached, since it has such a long history of translators trying to make sense of it. It is obviously always going to be something where there are different opinions.

Why the 'most people' here? Tongues are a sign for unbelievers but not in the context of just a language...rather it is the UNDERSTANDING that Paul is talking about. He is saying if no one understands when you all speak in tongues, then of what benefit is all that noise about?

I think you misunderstood what I said as I said nothing about tongues causing them to believe.

Paul is correcting the way tongues are being used.

What is the sign of prophecy here? I am not sure what you are referring to when you say that. Tongues can be a sign but it is a spiritual gift that has more than one purpose.

Where is prophecy described as a sign?

Actually, most do not understand it to be tongues as you seem to propose. That, does not mean anyone is lazy or don't study. I don't know why you would say that. The meaning is not too deep. Isaiah is mocking those who under judgement from God.

It simply is not tongues as per the gift of tongues. You cannot create doctrine out of one verse, but you have to take it out of context to misapply the meaning here. The context is Isaiah prophesying the judgement of God upon Judah. He is not praying...he is condemning their sin.

You seem to hint at being someone who gets special revelation because of your desire to search for meaning in the scripture. Is that true?

Well be careful of that. You are certainly free to believe as you wish, but the text is not talking about Isaiah speaking in tongues.

Sometimes, the so called popular understanding is the right one and context should not be tossed aside if the understanding is actually to benefit.

You would be hard pressed to provide context for tongues here. The translators have come to the conclusion that Isaiah is mocking those who mock his prophecies. This is not really a case that demands a different understanding or a case of just believe your own opinion.

Of course you are certainly free to think you have a different understanding just as others are free to point to context in this situation and the fact tongues came as cloven fire on the day of Pentecost and not as some hidden gem in an otherwise very pertinent and abrasive prophecy from a major prophet.

just throwing this in here for a possibility.

Matthew 24!

that's a Prophecy that is in fact about several Events and events that do not connect one another and do connect to one another. in the Major Prophets we do see this quite often.