Romans 8:15-17 Adopted & joint heirs

Believers thru Christ are adopted sons & joint heirs with/thru the Lord Jesus & freed from sins required wage [Also see Gal 4:4-12, Eph 1:6-7]

Romans 8:
15 For you have not received a spirit of slavery leading again to fear [of God’s judgment], but you have received the Spirit of adoption as sons [the Spirit producing sonship] by which we [joyfully] cry, “Abba! Father!”

16 The Spirit Himself testifies and confirms together with our spirit [assuring us] that we [believers] are children of God.

17 And if [we are His] children, [then we are His] heirs also: heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ [sharing His spiritual blessing and inheritance], if indeed we share in His suffering so that we may also share in His glory.
Bible source link: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Romans+8&version=AMP

(MY NOTE: Romans is written to believers [Rom 1:7].

Once a person acknowledges their sins & places their faith/trust in Christ's sin atoning death & resurrection & Confessing Jesus as Lord of their life, asking Him out loud to come into their heart [Rev 3:20, 1 Pet 3:18-22] Jesus baptizes them [Mat 3:11, Mk 1:8, Lk 3:16 & Jn 1:33] with His salvation sealing [Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22 & Eph 4:30] eternally indwelling Holy Spirit.

The believer is redeemed/saved/forgiven/pardoned from ALL their sins, Past-Present-Future. And becomes an adopted son & joint heir thru/with the Lord Jesus.

The Holy Spirit was Jesus true Father. Joseph adopted Jesus granting Him all 1st born rights needed. To become the promised heir to David's throne [Isa 9:7, 11:10, 1 Kgs 9:5, Lk 1:32].

All praise glory & honor belongs to our great God & Savor [Tit 2:13] Jesus the Christ. AMEM & Amen

“freed from sins required wage”
try reading entire sections of what Paul’s saying

instead of doing this

“For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

then explaining what that one verse means and shaping what it says by itself and omission of the rest around it limiting it to one verse at a time . Instead actually consider what complex yet simple message paul is actually communicating in his expounding letters if you read the. As if Paul wrote a letter to help explain doctrine and understanding

“God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father,

even so we also should walk in newness of life. knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

For he that is dead is freed from sin. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin,

but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord. Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin:

but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace. What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.


Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death,

or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity;

even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

For the wages of sin is death;

but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:2-4, 6-7, 11-20, 22-23‬ ‭

If we wanted to explain things to Christian’s we can just share what oils explaining in these concepts out the death and resurrection of Christ , baptism d how this applies To our faith it’s already explained without having to avoid or remove anything do you see what I mean ?

if we want to understand the operation of grace in salvation we can’t go here

“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:”
‭‭Ephesians‬ ‭2:8‬ ‭KJV‬‬

and then Do this

“For the wages of sin is death;

but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”

And keep adding on verses in that manner but to understand how grace operates in our lives we just read Paul’s explanations

“For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men, teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world; looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.”
‭‭Titus‬ ‭2:11-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Do you see how that kind of grace teaches us to repent and live upright lives ( not perfect but upright and accountable lives before God ) and how that’s part of Gods grace that saves ?


grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;”

If we take away the kart that teaches us what to repent of and what to do by the lords own words we have this grace which gives a sinner green light to continue living unchanged and unrepentant

“Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.

For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:3-4


See if grace is the reason this doesnt apply to Christian’s it isn’t really grace

“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;

but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭7:21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

if we remove the repentance and remission part it’s not grace these are gifts God gives us by grace and through faith just accepting the gospel

“in meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2:25-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

when we sin we’re serving the devils Will over us a if he is our lord we say we love God but we’re actually serving Satan when we sin it’s like we’re his captives d this is the freedom we’re offered

“Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:31-32, 34, 36‬ ‭

that’s what Paul’s Talking about in Roman’s 6-8 preaching to believers of the gospel

remember Jesus said “ if you really keep my word , you’ll know the truth and be set free” , free from what ? We aren’t slaves ! they asked him he said “ “whoever commits sin is the servant of sin and if the sin sets you free you’ll truly be free”


Now paul talking about serving sin and then “obeying the doctrine “ being set free from serving sins will and serving Gods will instead thats grace and faith at work

“Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey;

whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

But God be thanked, that ye were the servants of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you. Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭6:16-18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Remember again Jesus said they were slaves to sin because they were actively commiting sin and his doctrine would set them free if they kept his word

it doesn’t help us to say we’re all “saved by grace “ and eliminate all the warnings from God about repentance and righteousness we have to get right while we have grace to do so one day will come judgement

Gen 15:
Vrs 4-5, The Lord makes Abram a covenant promise. Vs 6, Abram believes the Lord & the Lord credits Abram's FAITH as righteousness.

Gal 3:
8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

17 And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
(MY NOTE: This covenant promise is made 430 yrs before the Mosaic LAW covenant & the Mosaic LAW covenant doesn't annual Abram's FAITH covenant promise)

Back to Gen 15:

Vs 12, Abram is sleeping
Vs 17, The Lord Himself/alone passes through the pieces
Vs 18, That day Lord make's a covenant with Abram.

This covenant was 100% the Lord's work. Based on Abram's faith that God was able to keep/do it.

Gen 22:16 (A) By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD.

Eph 2:
7-10 Now God has us where he wants us, with all the time in this world and the next to shower grace and kindness upon us in Christ Jesus. Saving is all his idea, and all his work.

All we do is trust him enough to let him do it. It’s God’s gift from start to finish!

We don’t play the major role. If we did, we’d probably go around bragging that we’d done the whole thing! No, we neither make nor save ourselves. God does both the making and saving.

He creates each of us by Christ Jesus to join him in the work he does, the good work he has gotten ready for us to do, work we had better be doing.
Bible link source: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis+8&version=MSG

(MY NOTE: Salvation: All we do is trust him enough to let him do it. It’s God’s gift from start to finish! So, we have nothing to brag about! Sad, people can't trust the Lord. The covenant that Jesus mediates [Heb 12:24] Is based on the unconditional Abrahamic covenant promise of the Lord.)

Eph 2:
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Bible source link: https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ephesians+2&version=KJV

(MY NOTE: Salvation: It's by grace thru faith & not because you're great works. BTW you're boasting makes this about you. Robbing the Lord of His do praise & honor. Here's what God thinks about your self-righteous works [Isaiah 64:6]

The apostle Paul said this as well:

Rom 8:
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
(MY NOTE: Once justified/forgiven nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love)

Eph 1:
6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
(MY NOTE: HAS MADE <past tense/already done> US ACCEPTED in/thru Christ)

7 In Jesus Christ we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins,
(MY NOTE: Believers have <PRESENT TENSE redemption forgiveness of sins >SINS IS PURAL! Also see Col 1:14 & 2:13)

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(MY NOTE: Salvation is obtained, by God's GIFT of grace = God's unmerited/underserved favor. Thru faith placed in Jesus faithful sin atoning work & resurrection.1 Cor 15:1-4)

Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
(MY NOTE: Written to believers see Col 1:2. Forgive each other as God forgave <PAST TENSE> you.)

Col 3:13 Bearing with one another and, if one has a complaint against another, forgiving each other; as the Lord has forgiven you, so you also must forgive.
(MY NOTE: Written to believers see Col 1:2. Vs 13 As the Lord has < PAST TENSE > forgiven you)

2 Tim 1:14 Refers to the Holy Spirit as a Guard & Deposit.

2 Cor 5:5, Eph 1:14 & 2 Cor 1:22. Refer to the Holy Spirit as "the earnest" = Pledge or Promise.

Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22 & Eph 4:30 Refer to the Holy Spirit as a Seal.

2 Tim 1:14 The Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you
(MY NOTE: The Holy Spirit dwelling within us. Is God's deposit & guards us until the day of redemption)

2 Cor 5:5 God, who also hath given unto us the "earnest" of the Spirit
(MY NOTE: God's Holy Spirit dwelling within us is the earnest. Earnest translated from the Greek word: arrabon. Also means a pledge)

2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also "sealed us" & "given the earnest" of the Holy Spirit in our hearts
(MY NOTE: God has placed His Holy Spirit in the believer's heart. As a pledge & a SEAL until the soon coming day of our redemption)

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(MY NOTE: You heard about Christ's finished sin redemptive payment & resurrection. When you believed/trusted, Christ sealed/baptized you with His Holy Spirit).

Eph1:14 Which is the "earnest" of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession
(MY NOTE: The Holy Spirit by which Christ baptizes/seals & indwells us. Is the earnest = a down payment, a pledge, a promise, a guarantee)

Eph 4:30 grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are "sealed" unto the day of redemption
(MY NOTE: Believers are SEALED with God's Holy Spirit. It's a pledge, promise, guard & guarantee that Christ will come for us)

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
(MY NOTE: God doesn't go back on His Word or Promises)

Thru faith & faith alone believer's is justified, sanctified & the Lord is glorified! AMEN

The OP didn't attempt to explain the entire NT. Nor did it try to include the entire chapter.

It's posted focus was on 3 verses. The verses clearly state "Believers" (My Note gives a brief summary on who the verses are written to & what a believer is). Their "Spiritual Adoption" assuring they already belong to God & as "His Children", their promised "Inheritance".

The OP also cites [Gal 4:4-12 & Eph 1:6-7]. Presenting a witness of 2 or 3 [Deut 19:15, Matt 18:16, 2 Cor 13:1], establishing the posted verses validity.

This part I have to ask for clarification of. The precious blood of Jesus cleanses us of our sins when we repent and come to Him and ask Him to be Lord of our lives. Once we are cleansed (saved), we are expected to live a Christ like life and try to not sin. However, we are only human, and are subject to failing now and again and committing some sin. These unintended sins are calld acts of Omission, and are easily forgiven by our asking God to forgive them. The precious blood of Jesus is ALWAYS there! There is no need for Him to be crucified twice! The blood never goes away or runs out.

Your statement seems to suggest that after salvation, a person can sin and not worry about asking forgiveness for that sin because it was all inclusive with their salvation experience. Problem with that is, Jesus Himself taught us to pray for the forgiveness of our sins WHEN WE PRAY!

(just saying)

We surely do become Heirs to the Promise through adoption, no worries with that.

In relation to salvation, repentance means to change your mind from unbelief/rejection of who Christ is to belief/acceptance of Christ as God's Son. More specifically placing one's faith in Jesus's sin atoning sacrifice & resurrection.

Ultimately, there is only one sin that Jesus's payment doesn't/won't forgive/pardon: "Unbelief" in & the rejection of, Christ's sin payment & resurrection, until/at life's end/death. (We all die Heb 9:27)

Jn 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.
(MY MOTE: You'll die in you sins if you don't repent from everyone? NO! You will die in your sins if you don't BELIEVE in Christ!)

I believe the word repentance is the most misunderstood & misused word in Christianity. Invariably people like you tie repent to every sins. Jesus added thoughts to the law (Matt 5:21-28) good luck controlling/repenting from every single one of them.

Jn 12:32 Jesus said; And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.
(MY NOTE: Jesus was in fact lifted up. Everybody is drawn to/offered salvation via God's Holy Spirit. Sadly, not everyone excepts/embraces it, by FAITH)

Jn 16:
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
(MY NOTE: The Holy Spirit will reprove/expose/convict everyone of, sins? NO of "SIN" singular.)

9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
(NOTE: The only SIN that condemns one to eternal separation/damnation is UNBELIEF! Continued rejection of Christ's sin payment & resurrection, until/at life's end. Jesus sin payment covers/includes all sin except rejection of His finished works at life's end/your death)

1 Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
(MY NOTE: Anyone that believes they can conquer their own sin nature, without Gods help is mistaken)

Rom 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches """of his goodness""" and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that """the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance"""?
(MY NOTE: It's thru the GOODNESS of GOD not thru OUR OWN great work of sin repentance, obedience or self-control. That we REPENT/change our thinking/course. It's salvations seal of indwelling Holy Spirit that leads us to REPENT/change our thinking outlook & direction).

Acts 10:44 While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Spirit fell on all them which heard the word.
(MY NOTE: They Believed (vs43) & as Peter spoke (vs44) The Holy Spirit fell on them (vs45). NO REPENTANCE of any kind here, No water baptism, No circumcision, they brought no sin sacrifice to the Temple, No law keeping etc)

Thru faith & faith alone, placed in Jesus redemptive work & resurrection. These gentiles were given/received the baptism OF & were eternally sealed BY God's indwelling Holy Spirit (vs45) = SAVED - FINISHED TRANSACTION! Also see Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22 & Eph 4:30/sealed until the day of redemption, Rom 8:38-39)

2ndly,
To be clear, neither in this post, nor at any other (I've placed 100's). Have I ever advocated ungodly living or claimed one can sin with impunity.

Nor have I ever said sin doesn't have consequence.

I've said we access righteousness, justification, salvation through faith (Rom 5:1-2) & not thru works (Eph 2:9), obedience, repentance etc.

Sin can bring consequence that may manifest itself, in many different ways. A health issue, a broken relationship, disease, lost rewards earned etc.

A believer's sin will not result in the loss of salvation. Unlike you, I'll provide scripture (1 Cor 3 below) that support my position/belief. BTW, Unbelief is the only unforgivable sin, that can't be cleansed by the blood of Christ.

1 Cor 3:
8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
(MY NOTE: Rewards are given based on work done in Christ's name. Even a drink of water given is His name will receive a reward (Matt 10:42, Mk 9:41 )

11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
(MY NOTE: Gold & silver = Good works done in Christ's name. Hay, wood & stubble = no works, selfish works, even bad works)

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
(MY NOTE: Every work good & bad will be tested)

14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
(MY NOTE: Good works done in Christ's name will receive a reward)

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
(MY NOTE: Hay, wood & stubble deeds will burn-up, bringing shame & loss = "Of Rewards". Not the loss of one's salvation)

Rereading verse 15: he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved.

Rev 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.

Christ bought us/our sins for a price, His sinless life:

Finally, these verses helped shape my belief.

Jude 1:1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ
(MY NOTE: Believers/saints are sanctified by God & PRESERVED in Jesus Christ)


Rom 8:
38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,

39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
(MY NOTE: Once justified/forgiven nothing can separate a Christian from God’s love)

Rev 1:5 Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto Jesus Christ that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
(MY NOTE: When we place our faith in Jesus faithful sin atoning work & resurrection. That ALL our sins are remissed. Also see Col 1:14 & 2:13)

Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
(MY NOTE: Salvation is obtained, by God's GIFT of grace = God's unmettited/underserved favor. Thru faith placed in Jesus faithful sin atoning work & resurrection.1 Cor 15:1-4)

Eph 4:32 Be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ forgave you.
(MY NOTE: Written to believers see Col 1:2. Forgive each other as God forgave <PAST TENSE> you.)

Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
(MY NOTE: Christ obtained ETERNAL REDEMPTION for us)

Heb 13:20 Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
(MY NOTE: This new sin management blood covenant is EVERLASTING! Not just 1 year or until the next time to stumble or fall)

Believers sins are forgiven & washed away via an EVERLASTING COVENANT!

2 Tim 1:14 Refers to the Holy Spirit as a Guard & Deposit.

2 Cor 5:5, Eph 1:14 & 2 Cor 1:22. Refer to the Holy Spirit as "the earnest" = Pledge or Promise.

Eph 1:13, 2 Cor 1:22 & Eph 4:30 Refer to the Holy Spirit as a Seal.

2 Tim 1:14 The Holy Spirit who dwells within us, guard the good deposit entrusted to you
(MY NOTE: The Holy Spirit dwelling within us. Is God's deposit & guards us until the day of redemption)

2 Cor 5:5 God, who also hath given unto us the "earnest" of the Spirit
(MY NOTE: God's Holy Spirit dwelling within us is the earnest. Earnest translated from the Greek word: arrabon. Also means a pledge)

2 Cor 1:22 Who hath also "sealed us" & "given the earnest" of the Holy Spirit in our hearts
(MY NOTE: God has placed His Holy Spirit in the believers heart. As a pledge & a SEAL until the soon coming day of our redemption)

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(MY NOTE: You heard about Christ's finished sin redemptive payment & resurrection. When you believed/trusted, Christ sealed/baptized you with His Holy Spirit).

Eph1:14 Which is the "earnest" of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession
(MY NOTE: The Holy Spirit by which Christ baptizes/seals & indwells us. Is the earnest = a down payment, a pledge, a promise, a guarantee)

Eph 4:30 grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are "sealed" unto the day of redemption
(MY NOTE: Believers are SEALED with God's Holy Spirit. It's a pledge, promise, guard & guarantee that Christ will come for us)

Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
(MY NOTE: God doesn't go back on His Word or Promises)

If I fail to ask forgiveness for a sin, I'm doomed?