Many are called but few are chosen

first of all, John is repeating the Words of Jesus in 3:16-17.

so we must VIEW this from God, not from John because this is a direct statement from God himself.

secondly, to CHOOSE has nothing to do with our ability to seek God out before God seeks us out first. to Choose means once we are presented to the Truth about God, we have a choice. Joshua said this day [[((CHOOSE WHO YE WILL SERVE))]]. the God i serve is the SAME in Joshua's Day, my current day, and forever on. Joshua presented God to the Israelites and then said CHOOSE. we are presented God by preaching/teaching/HEARING of the Word and God invites us to Himself. We either submit, which is CHOOSING, or we deny.

that is simply how it works and has always worked.

When we look at the passages of Scripture that specifically speaks to man's ability to choose without a specific act of God working in him, we see a resounding no, man is so steeped in his sin he cannot respond in the positive to Christ, not in truth. For sin yes, money, power, position, reputation etc. But not simply for love of God.

All statements in Scripture is the word of God, regardless who did the speaking.

Jesus saying is no different than anyone else... It's how world is being used that is the question, and no verse in Scripture stands alone.

16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whoever believes on him might not perish, but have life eternal.

17 For God sent not the Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world might be saved through him.


let's examine Verse 17.

it begins with [God sent not the Son into the world]. specifically [INTO THE WORLD] that speaks of the whole entire physical Earth. there is no denying that and any preacher who has is a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing.

So your arguing that Jesus lived and died and rose again in the entire world not just Israel?

I'm confused... (That's honest..) maybe clarify?

So your arguing that Jesus lived and died and rose again in the entire world not just Israel?

I'm confused... (That's honest..) maybe clarify?

So your arguing that Jesus lived and died and rose again in the entire world not just Israel?

I'm confused... (That's honest..) maybe clarify?

arguing?

or pointing out the Mission?

God has so many times throughout the Bible specified Israel, Promised Land, Land of your Fathers, Jerusalem, ect.

if John 3:16 and 17 was specifically Israel, God is not afraid to specify it because He has many times already. So saying the WORLD means exactly the WORLD!

So your arguing that Jesus lived and died and rose again in the entire world not just Israel?

I'm confused... (That's honest..) maybe clarify?

First I'd like to point out that I'm used to actual debate so using terms like "arguing you point" etc is not being used in a negative manner, it's simply a statement of fact. Your position is x, based on y, and your "arguing" in favor of position x. My position is z and it's based on y and I'm "arguing" in favor of position z.

I don't know any other terminology that is appropriate as well as clear, however I'll try to avoid using "argue" in the future, or perhaps less frequently. But I don't mean it in any negative sense, this is a discussion.

I'm off to cook dinner. I'll give you a reply to your post later.

One way of understanding it is to say, Jesus' sacrifice was sufficient to save the whole world,
but is efficacious only for those who believe. I don't think it has to do with geography

Enjoy your dinner! (I have yet to have breakfast ).

I don't know anyone who doesn't believe that... Reformed and non-reformed alike. But that is not the issue.

Some seem to reject it by changing the meaning of "all" and "the whole world" and other such phrases, to being less inclusive. Perhaps I misunderstood your question, regarding whether "Jesus lived and died and rose again in the entire world not just Israel?" Could you please clarify?

Easy. I spell it with an upper case G.
Same as I do Christian.

Compatiblism; determinism plus freewill

Looks that way.

1 thread him and HealthandHappiness were hyping up Steven Anderson like a team working together and in his final post he claims HealthandHappiness is Polar/Magenta and someone else.

the Brother needs to lay off cheap beer. maybe i could send him some fresh brewed Ale from my neck of the woods to help him out.

I was only joking.

Yet I do understand your effort to defend yourself. Personal accusations are terrible things to deal with. They penetrate one's own heart and are extremely difficult to forgive.

Not sure where that accusation came from. Given that you mostly submit encouraging posts.