Explanation of the A- millennial view.
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I can respect all views but I think the amill view fails to explain the conditions in Scripture that are promised, that are neither eternity or present.
They struggle with Revelation 20, their interpretation of it is just wild, considering in Revelation 12 the same satan who they say is now bound is presently deceiving the whole earth!
The amil view is the easiest to explain to someone and requires very little detail, it just says "Hey, Jesus is coming back someday, and then there will be a final judgment" which is true and biblical. However there are many things in eschatology which must take place before the second advent, things like drying up of the Euphrates, surrounding of Jerusalem by armies, the abomination of desolation, the two witnesses in Jerusalem, massive fish deaths and many many more things.
They struggle with Revelation 20, their interpretation of it is just wild, considering in Revelation 12 the same satan who they say is now bound is presently deceiving the whole earth!
The amil view is the easiest to explain to someone and requires very little detail, it just says "Hey, Jesus is coming back someday, and then there will be a final judgment" which is true and biblical. However there are many things in eschatology which must take place before the second advent, things like drying up of the Euphrates, surrounding of Jerusalem by armies, the abomination of desolation, the two witnesses in Jerusalem, massive fish deaths and many many more things.
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Hi Dirtman, I actually watched and enjoyed the vid although I don't agree with the amil viewpoint.
I saw his representation of the pre trib rapture slightly disingenuous lol, I'm sure he knows proponents don't view the rapture as the second coming, although mocking viewpoints can be legit if it's encouraging more dialogue 😉
I found it interesting though that Satan is presently bound and is a main component of the view.
The verses used about the strongman are parables and parables always if correct have other verses to substantiate, when you look around the world today do you not see Satan?
I saw his representation of the pre trib rapture slightly disingenuous lol, I'm sure he knows proponents don't view the rapture as the second coming, although mocking viewpoints can be legit if it's encouraging more dialogue 😉
I found it interesting though that Satan is presently bound and is a main component of the view.
The verses used about the strongman are parables and parables always if correct have other verses to substantiate, when you look around the world today do you not see Satan?
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Did you notice revelation doesn’t happen in a linear manner but it’s several visions overlapping one another telling of past , present and future events in both heaven and in earth ?
some read it as a continual narrative in the future but John is actually told to write things that were , things that are and things that will be so a good example is the seven headed beast he saw it’s comprised of past , present and future kings ( from johns perspective in time )
“The beast that thou sawest was, ( past ) and is not; ( johns present ) and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition
johns near future ) and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
And there are seven kings:
five are fallen, ( past )
and one is, ( his present day )
and the other is not yet come;( his future )
and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.”
Revelation 17:8, 10
It really is a unique book on that it overlaps many times for instance
To get a clearer picture of the time of the beasts reign and war against the saints and people of God we have to see it’s perpetual nature and how it relates non Linear
so the beast is described in chapter 13 , and we learn this about that time
“And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
Revelation 13:3-9 KJV
but if we go back to chapter 11 we get more information concerning the beast that comes out of the pit
“And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.”
Revelation 11:7 KJV
so chapter elevens events where the beast is said to overcome the two witnesses happen during the time of chapter 13-14 and tbat war explained between the beast and the saints we see a time where he’s ruling the world and everyone who doesn’t believe the gospel are going to worship him but the. Later in 17 we receive more information about the events in chapter 11 , 13-14 and even 20
“The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.”
Revelation 17:8 KJV
And then Later more
“and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Revelation 20:3-4
what I mean is it’s not wrotten and revealed on a linear plain of time or a successive ordered narrative . It overlaps and is well out of the linear timeline sort of a chaotic vision of past present and future given to reveal what was soon to come and will eventually be
it’s not for a linear timeline of events but a book that’s me to show us a comprehensive view of creations fall and eventual restoration in Christ
some read it as a continual narrative in the future but John is actually told to write things that were , things that are and things that will be so a good example is the seven headed beast he saw it’s comprised of past , present and future kings ( from johns perspective in time )
“The beast that thou sawest was, ( past ) and is not; ( johns present ) and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition
johns near future ) and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. And there are seven kings:
five are fallen, ( past )
and one is, ( his present day )
and the other is not yet come;( his future )
and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.”
Revelation 17:8, 10
It really is a unique book on that it overlaps many times for instance
To get a clearer picture of the time of the beasts reign and war against the saints and people of God we have to see it’s perpetual nature and how it relates non Linear
so the beast is described in chapter 13 , and we learn this about that time
“And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear.”
Revelation 13:3-9 KJV
but if we go back to chapter 11 we get more information concerning the beast that comes out of the pit
“And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.”
Revelation 11:7 KJV
so chapter elevens events where the beast is said to overcome the two witnesses happen during the time of chapter 13-14 and tbat war explained between the beast and the saints we see a time where he’s ruling the world and everyone who doesn’t believe the gospel are going to worship him but the. Later in 17 we receive more information about the events in chapter 11 , 13-14 and even 20
“The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.”
Revelation 17:8 KJV
And then Later more
“and cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.”
Revelation 20:3-4
what I mean is it’s not wrotten and revealed on a linear plain of time or a successive ordered narrative . It overlaps and is well out of the linear timeline sort of a chaotic vision of past present and future given to reveal what was soon to come and will eventually be
it’s not for a linear timeline of events but a book that’s me to show us a comprehensive view of creations fall and eventual restoration in Christ
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F.Y.I.
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Amillennialism is not new. Many throughout the history of the church have held it. And by the time of Augustine, it had become the dominant view of the church. It is still the dominant view of the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Roman Catholic Church, and many Protestants. And it was the view of the reformers, including Calvin and Luther.
(here)
What is Amillennialism? Definition and History
IMO:
The Book of Revelation can not be interpreted by man. It is a Book of Mystery, written with numerous symbolic images/references that are not literal! At best, the letters to the Seven Churches are best studied by Christians today, for they reveal what a Congregation can suffer if they lose their direciton.
(more info from Article)
Satan’s Binding
Satan’s binding seems to usher in this thousand-year rule. So, when does this binding occur? While some will point to this being a future event, the Bible gives plenty of clues to indicate that it has already occurred.
I firmly believe that we are currently living in the "last times." Known as the Tribulations. I firmly believe that when that Eastern Sky splits, the Last Trump sounds, and Jesus descends on clouds of white with the Saints that have gone before, to gather to Him His Church, THAT WILL BE IT!
The dead in Christ shall rise first, and then those who are still alive will be transformed in an "instant, twinkling of an eye" and rise to be with Him in the Kingdom of God FOR EVER AND EVER!
Folks can believe as they wish. Best I can offer is that ONE DAY we shall ALL KNOW THE TRUTH! Until then, it is speculation at best..........
(excerpt)
Amillennialism is not new. Many throughout the history of the church have held it. And by the time of Augustine, it had become the dominant view of the church. It is still the dominant view of the Eastern Orthodox Church, the Roman Catholic Church, and many Protestants. And it was the view of the reformers, including Calvin and Luther.
(here)
What is Amillennialism? Definition and History
IMO:
The Book of Revelation can not be interpreted by man. It is a Book of Mystery, written with numerous symbolic images/references that are not literal! At best, the letters to the Seven Churches are best studied by Christians today, for they reveal what a Congregation can suffer if they lose their direciton.
(more info from Article)
Satan’s Binding
Satan’s binding seems to usher in this thousand-year rule. So, when does this binding occur? While some will point to this being a future event, the Bible gives plenty of clues to indicate that it has already occurred.
- In Matthew 12:28-29 the strong man (Satan ?) is tied up and his house robbed.
- In John 12:31 Jesus, just prior to the cross, says that the time for judgment has come. And the prince of this world would be driven out.
- In Colossian 2:15 Paul says that Jesus triumphed over satanic powers by the cross.
- In Hebrews 2:14-15 we read that Christ, by his own death, destroyed the power of the devil.
I firmly believe that we are currently living in the "last times." Known as the Tribulations. I firmly believe that when that Eastern Sky splits, the Last Trump sounds, and Jesus descends on clouds of white with the Saints that have gone before, to gather to Him His Church, THAT WILL BE IT!
The dead in Christ shall rise first, and then those who are still alive will be transformed in an "instant, twinkling of an eye" and rise to be with Him in the Kingdom of God FOR EVER AND EVER!
Folks can believe as they wish. Best I can offer is that ONE DAY we shall ALL KNOW THE TRUTH! Until then, it is speculation at best..........
I just made the term up, maybe I have a strange sense of humor, but what I'm getting at is, what if some things in premil are correct and some things in amil are correct then why can't we just combine the correct things and believe them.
Of course those who hold strictly to either view, and will stand and die on their hill, will still condemn any alterations.
I also am very traditional conservative but some things just don't add up,so I just go with what I think will put all scripture in harmony, so I end up taking pieces from different positions.
So I enjoy reading different views and have incorporated different views, so have ended up multimillenial, actually that's not a very good description and also I think labels should really be discouraged.
Of course those who hold strictly to either view, and will stand and die on their hill, will still condemn any alterations.
I also am very traditional conservative but some things just don't add up,so I just go with what I think will put all scripture in harmony, so I end up taking pieces from different positions.
So I enjoy reading different views and have incorporated different views, so have ended up multimillenial, actually that's not a very good description and also I think labels should really be discouraged.
I agree with you. All views have some holes in them. I believe it is like this on purpose. God is testing us on whether we love our brother and sister who have a different view on eschatology. It is also done like this so that no one can boast to know exactly how it will go down, in prophecy hindsight is usually 20/20 so once it happens we will know. We know it will happen, one way or another.
Come soon Lord Jesus. I got nothing planned for tomorrow? Any of you guys have anything planned? Lets go.
Come soon Lord Jesus. I got nothing planned for tomorrow? Any of you guys have anything planned? Lets go.
The evidence seems to suggest pre-mil was the first eschatological viewpoint-- Papias, Justin Martyr, etc.
Then Origen castrated himself after making a very literal interpretation of scripture, and became a proponent of allegorical interpretation, though he did not reject literal interpretation altogether as one way of looking at things. Ambrose and Augustine in the 4th century advocated for allegorical interpretation, strangely interpreting I Corinthians to refer to the 'spirit of the law' when it says no such thing, and associating the letter of the law with literal interpretation. So literal interpretation was seen to be less spiritual than allegorical interpretation. Augustine popularized amil, which relies on allegorical interpretation.
That's an oversimplification of history, but one way of looking at things.
Then Origen castrated himself after making a very literal interpretation of scripture, and became a proponent of allegorical interpretation, though he did not reject literal interpretation altogether as one way of looking at things. Ambrose and Augustine in the 4th century advocated for allegorical interpretation, strangely interpreting I Corinthians to refer to the 'spirit of the law' when it says no such thing, and associating the letter of the law with literal interpretation. So literal interpretation was seen to be less spiritual than allegorical interpretation. Augustine popularized amil, which relies on allegorical interpretation.
That's an oversimplification of history, but one way of looking at things.
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I haven't read all of Augustine's works. Is there any amil person who can go verse by verse through the Old Testament and explain an allegorical interpretation for each passage?
Justin Martyr was premil, but used some allegorical interpretation. He'd interpret passages in detail, at least in his dialogue with Trypho.
What about a preterist amil type person. It seems like there is some fuzzy gist they get out of a passage here or there, not a detailed interpretation where this phrase means this, not what it literally says, and that phrase means that. They might do that here or there, but you end up with thousands of uninterpreted details that are supposed to be allegorical.... of what? What does the Euphrates drying up symbolize?
I also find the argument for 'clouds' being a metaphor rather lacking, especially since Jesus was caught up in a cloud at the ascension and the apostles were told that He would return as He left. What if the allegorical interpretation approach were applied to the ascension? There are full preterist who allegoricalize the resurrection. That sounds rather heretical consider Paul's comments on those who denied the resurrection, but what if that method were applied to the resurrection of Christ? Then you end up with a nonChristian religion.
I am not saying there cannot be allegorical interpretation, but why would you throw the 'literal level' out the window to do so? If Hagar represents Mt. Sinai in Arabai in Paul's allegory in Galatians, that doesn't mean there is no real mountain also.
Justin Martyr was premil, but used some allegorical interpretation. He'd interpret passages in detail, at least in his dialogue with Trypho.
What about a preterist amil type person. It seems like there is some fuzzy gist they get out of a passage here or there, not a detailed interpretation where this phrase means this, not what it literally says, and that phrase means that. They might do that here or there, but you end up with thousands of uninterpreted details that are supposed to be allegorical.... of what? What does the Euphrates drying up symbolize?
I also find the argument for 'clouds' being a metaphor rather lacking, especially since Jesus was caught up in a cloud at the ascension and the apostles were told that He would return as He left. What if the allegorical interpretation approach were applied to the ascension? There are full preterist who allegoricalize the resurrection. That sounds rather heretical consider Paul's comments on those who denied the resurrection, but what if that method were applied to the resurrection of Christ? Then you end up with a nonChristian religion.
I am not saying there cannot be allegorical interpretation, but why would you throw the 'literal level' out the window to do so? If Hagar represents Mt. Sinai in Arabai in Paul's allegory in Galatians, that doesn't mean there is no real mountain also.
These "views" you speak of are "views" of man, not Gods Word. Mans interpretation of Scripture can lead to "holes" in their essence, and that is a truth! However, Gods Word does not contain "holes." Gods Word is TRUTH! Why? Because if ANY part of Scripture is false, then it is ALL FALSE!
(just saying)
(just saying)