Dispensationalism...

I never said that they will never be accepted. I said that IF in 2,000 years there hasn't been any progress, what makes you they will be saved in the future? Surely by now, we should have some proof that the people of Israel are waking up, unfortunately, nothing indicates they are calling on the Lord to save them. Muslims have a better chance than them. By the way, I would love to see thousands of Jews coming to the Lord.

Eph. 2:19 and Gal. 3:28-29 states that there is no longer any difference between Jew and Gentile, so you need to consider that the fulness of the Gentiles took place up to the moment the destruction of the temple took place. After that, the difference between Jew and Gentile ended abruptly.

2 Corinthians 6:2 (NASB95)
For He says,
“At the acceptable time, I listened to you,
And on the day of salvation, I helped you.”
Behold, now is “the acceptable time,” behold, now is “the day of salvation”—

Some folks read the OT only to reinforce their personal theology .

What Saith The Scripture? God Inspired Paul, in the Current
Dispensation Of GRACE, to write TO us, The Body Of Christ,
This Truth:

Rom 7:9 "For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died."

GRACE And Peace...

Precious friend,
What Saith The Word Of Truth, Rightly Divided?:

Part I

God’s PRE - TOJT Great GRACE Departure!:
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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding
In This Thy Most Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation.
Amen. (1 Thessalonians 4:18)
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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With
The Second Coming, is found in God's Context:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom
(“ages” past/future) (Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world”
(Matthew 25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke 1:68-70; Acts 3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians 1:4; 2 Timothy 1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans 16:25; Ephesians 1:4-11, 3:5-9!)
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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew 24:29; Revelation 19:16, 11!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies * on white horses! (Revelation 19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth With ONE army, * “All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew 25:31; Revelation 19:11, 15)

(5) With Another trumpet (AFTER "the 7th angel trumpet in heaven), on
the earth, Angels Are SENT, By The KING, TO: “gather the elect”...
(Matthew 24:31; Mark 13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew 25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew 25:34-46!)

to be continued...

Part II

God's Prophetic Program, and second earthly coming

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians 1:19-23; Colossians 1:18; 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1 Thessalonians 4:16!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2 Corinthians 5:8; Philippians 1:21-23; 1 Thessalonians 4:13!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1 Thessalonians 4:16-17; 1 Corinthians 15:52-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2 Thessalonians 2:1-3; 1 Corinthians 15:49; 2 Corinthians 12:2, 5:1-2;
Ephesians 1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians 3:20; 2 Timothy 4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans 2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1 Corinthians 3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2 Corinthians 5:10;
Ephesians 6:8; Colossians 3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians 5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live * Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1 Thessalonians 3:13; Colossians 1:5, 22;
1 Corinthians 6:3; 2 Corinthians 5:1-2 KJB!)

* Note, The ONE army Of The Body Of CHRIST, Must "have been
assigned our Heavenly positions" for ruling and reigning! Amen?

Conclusion: verses Never "taken Out Of God's Context" and
"placed in HIS Other Context" will Never Cause Confusion. Amen?
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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of Eternal Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.
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Please Be Very Richly Edified, Encouraged, And Comforted! And:
Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ 😇 ↑

More study:
Rightly Divided Bible 'Contrasts'
Will The Body Of Christ go through the Great Tribulation?

GRACE And Peace...

I guess the best way to respond is that the reason I began saying I was "out side the camps" is that I noticed several years back when the internet began being popular(late 80's early 90's) that I could follow along with any one topic and every individual posti ng had a different idea of what it meant. When I was young the town I grew up in only had four Churches in it Catholic,Baptist an Assembly of God and a Church of Christ. I alternated going to them as I grew up but my mother went to the Church of Christ(just a few blocks so we could walk) and my grandparents went to the Church of Christ but in a different town. As I became an adult I decided to start in Genesis 1:1 and read from one end to the other because I had noticed by then it didn't matter which Church I went to if I ask the deacons or preacher the exact same question's they all had a different idea of what it meant.

As time went on and I got married and moved to a different town we looked at the Churches there and the only ones were Baptist,Pentecostal, Church of Christ,Catholic and several that said they were non denominational. At first because I went to the Church of Christ as a child we went there but after the first few times I thought I should look at the sign again out front because the preacher and deacons in that one believed and taught completely different from the one in the town I grew up in or the one my grand parents went to(went there if I stayed the summer). By then we decided to go to the Baptist Churches there(there were three) but it was the same thing if I ask questions I got a different answer. We then thought well lets try the Pentecostal Churches (there's three here and several that have meetings at someones house) but it's the same issue,,,ask a question and you get a different answer from everyone of them. They though were a little more honest about why there were three Churches plus those who had meetings at someones house it was because years back there were disagreements of how they saw things and split into another then into another and those who disagreed with all three began meeting at someones house until their was a disagreement and they then decided to meet at someone else's house.

It made me wonder by then if there were any group of Christians anywhere that ever agreed on anything and began researching Church history and found the Protestant Churches that split from the Catholic Churches because of disagreements and formed the multitude of different Church's because they didn't agree with each other after the protestant movement. Then digging deeper there was the disagreement over Amil or premillennialism around 2,300 ad but even then I realized Acts 15 begins in the first verse with the issue over needing to follow the Law or not and Acts 21 is about friction between how different believers saw things. If you think about it in post #56 you gave several different men's teachings and stated the ones you agreed with most. Anyway I love God and I am Christian but I usually just ask a question and hope the vast majority agrees on an answer and wait for it. Ive lost track of how many years Ive done this or how many times I've read the Bible,some books in it at least a hundred times.

Can you re-write this in plain language?

The posts you have work hard to put together just dont make sense to me. Please try again.

Sorry; AKA: "PRE-Trib rapture" and TOJT = "Time Of Jacob's [Israel's] Trouble"

He had a Plan.

You do not know?

Lots of misinterpretations and much misuse of the scriptures but nothing concrete. Pushing dispensationalism is heresy because it diminishes the finished work of Christ and suggests that He didn't finish redemption on the cross.

Give me one concrete scripture and I will shred it into pieces because dispensationalism is the work of man that began 200 years ago. Actually, it is heresy to believe what Darvin and C.I. Scofield taught.

Believe the word of God, not the interpretations of men.

You are playing games here. I asked first the question of why God chose Israel. If you don't know, you prove that dispensationalism is nothing but a house of cards without a foundation.

By the way, I know why God chose Israel, so when God's plan was completed, Israel as a nation was judged and dismissed forever. Well, I just gave you a clue. 😃

Well, i made a short pawn move because you are a chess player.

Next move - When did God first enact His Plan?
AND
What make syou think God is done "forever" with the earthbound nation Israel?

Just how does it diminish the cross? You’re joking, right?

You don't believe that Paul and Peter were Jews?

How many parts of the Bible do you remove in order for your belief system to work?