Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

So all that flood talk and comparison to a real flood with real water and suddenly baptism is not water. Thats some serious eisegesis.
I mean even the parenthetic statement about not the washing pf dirt from the body definitely points to water.

That and a form of the false works doctrine.

We are saved the moment we believe.

It's not at all surprising for whom that is news. We are saved and our sins are forgiven in that same moment. Because, as works teachers do not realize, Jesus paid our price on the cross.

He didn't take the sins of everyone in the world upon himself on the cross. He took the sins of [in] the world upon himself on the cross.
T he sins being put under his blood, covered and overcome of their power to condemn.

Jesus is, was as he said during his ministry, the water of life. Blood is the life.

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood, and I have given it for you on the altar to make atonement for your souls, for it is the blood that makes atonement by the life.

That is how Jesus is known as the unblemished lamb, and last sacrifice for sin. The altar was the cross.

He paid the sin, was the propitiation for our sins.

1vJohn 4:10 In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Propitiation- a two-part act that involves appeasing the wrath of an offended person and being reconciled to him.

And = "without the shedding of blood there is NO Forgiveness (of Sin)" = Hebrews 9:22

Where in my post did i ever deny liquid water?

Please read again 1 Peter chapter 3 and pay special/full attention beginning in vs14.

Peace

So all that flood talk and comparison to a real flood with real water and suddenly baptism is not water. Thats some serious eisegesis.
I mean even the parenthetic statement about not the washing pf dirt from the body definitely points to water.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I agree that you did not say the passage in verse 21 isnt about water. I was amalgamating your statement with someone else's.
How ever I do not see how vs 14

1 Peter 3:14 (LEB): But even if you might suffer for the sake of righteousness, you are blessed. And do not be afraid of their intimidation or be disturbed,

Removes "now saves you" from vs 21.

1 Peter 3:21 (LEB): And also, corresponding to this, baptism now saves you, not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Must be a typo,right?

Without the immersion into water there can be NO Forgiveness of sins. 🤔🤥

All that flood talk calls water symbolic. Even the baptism the Israelites went through did not get them wet. “Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea” (1 Corinthians 10:1-2). We are cleansed through the washing of new birth and renewal by the Holy Spirit.


Titus 3:4-5

Funny thing = the Author of the book of Hebrews left out the H2O

In a similiar note, you will not see water baptism mentioned by the Author of the Book of Revelation.

I do believe there are genuine people who don't know much about Exegesis. They go with what they were taught and don't understand how it could be wrong. I think some act on fear. They're afraid to change because they think they'll be condemned to hell for having doubt.

Some may rely on Bible commentaries to teach them. Jesus was condemned by the Sadducees commentaries.


Then there are the other ones. Running into Christian communities in order to stir controversy, stoke anger, instill doubt, mock,ridicule.


Mark 7:9 And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother’; and, ‘Whoever reviles father or mother must surely die.’ 11 But you say, ‘If a man tells his father or his mother, “Whatever you would have gained from me is Corban”’ (that is, given to God)[a]— 12 then you no longer permit him to do anything for his father or mother, 13 thus making void the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

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Love this article site:https://truthsaves.org/articles/baptism-saves/

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there are only two places in the gospels where the concept of baptism and faith are mentioned together–only two. The first is Matthew 21:25 where Jesus asks the chief priests and elders a question about the baptism of John the Baptist. The chief priests and elders refused to answer because they knew that if they said his baptism was from heaven Jesus would ask why they did not believe John the Baptist. This mention thus has nothing to do with our salvation. The other place is Mark 16:16. Outside of Mark 16:16, the only times Jesus speaks of baptism are at His own baptism (Matthew 3:14-17), the baptism of His own suffering (Matthew 20:22-23; Mark 10:38-39; Luke 12:50), and the question about John’s baptism in Matthew 21:25, which account also is found in Mark 11:30 and Luke 20:4). None of these other three events concern salvation. Certainly, we cannot say that Jesus was saved at His baptism. Such would be heresy. Nor was Jesus saved by His sufferings; though His sufferings brought salvation to us. And the question to the religious leaders about John’s baptism had nothing to do with salvation. So, when we read Mark 16:16, we must read it with what has come before. Before Mark 16:16, Jesus has not made baptism even a passing thought in His discussions of salvation. Never once did he even hint that baptism saves. Rather, baptism has been linked to righteousness (Matthew 3:15) and to suffering.

Contrast this to the subject of belief and faith. Repeatedly, Jesus links faith to salvation (Luke 7:50; 18:42; John 1:12-13; 3:15, 16, 18, 36; 4:39-43; 5:24; 6:40, 47; 7:38 [belief as the condition for having the Holy Spirit]; 9:35-38; 10:37-38; 11:25-26; 12:46; 14:1; 17:20; 20:30-31). If Jesus thought that baptism was needed in addition to faith, then His statements in these many passages are only partial truths, and we know that partial truths are another name for lies, as we find in Genesis 2 with Satan’s temptation of Eve. Stated another way, if Jesus said that the one who believes in Jesus will have eternal life (John 3:16, etc.), and a person believes in Jesus, then either that person must have received eternal life or Jesus is a liar. Jesus does not say in any of these passages that you must believe and be baptized to receive eternal life. The sole condition is faith. And the fact that faith is the sole condition upon which God bestows righteousness to an individual is the consistent theme throughout the pages of Scripture, as Romans 4 and Hebrews 11 so powerfully state. Abraham believed God and it was accounted to him for righteousness (Genesis 15:6). No mention is made of baptism.''

I'm finished with this thread. God spoke absolute eternal truth. Jesus died to seal it for eternity.

We know faith alone saves. It's God's will everyone meet their destiny.

God Bless.💕✝️😊🛐

Forgive me as i should of said: 'beginning' with verse 14 and pay careful attention to what the Apostle Peter is leading us into as we enter verse 21 and exactly how verse 21 is summed UP.

Thank You and the Peace of our Lord Jesus Christ be upon you if you belong to Him

For the past 40 years it has astounded me how saved christians submit their mind/understanding of the Scriptures to men rather then to the Holy Spirit and the Author of Salvation who said = "It is written...".

That author is The Word.

I think of it as how denominationalism cleaved the church.
Men's differing commentaries, opinions,regarding scripture with the intent of establishing exclusive ownership of the 'right' way to 'be Christian.'

Emphasis on their words not upon The Word that inspired the Bible.

I've met people who insist the only way to God is through the Bible. God, lives in a book.
While they insist we can't trust out thoughts,feelings, that still peaceful voice that leads us from within. Holy spirit.Because we can't trust that's not the enemy.

God by the book.
Is it any wonder they can't relax, live in peace, and trust faith?

That author is The Word.

I think of it as how denominationalism cleaved the church.
Men's differing commentaries, opinions,regarding scripture with the intent of establishing exclusive ownership of the 'right' way to 'be Christian.'

Emphasis on their words not upon The Word that inspired the Bible.

I've met people who insist the only way to God is through the Bible. God, lives in a book.
While they insist we can't trust out thoughts,feelings, that still peaceful voice that leads us from within. Holy spirit.Because we can't trust that's not the enemy.

God by the book.
Is it any wonder they can't relax, live in peace, and trust faith?

If there is no water baptism anywhere then why do we find these passages:
Mark 1: 4 And so John the Baptist appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. 5 The whole Judean countryside and all the people of Jerusalem went out to him. Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.
Luke 3:16 John answered them all, “I baptize you with water. But one who is more powerful than I will come, the straps of whose sandals I am not worthy to untie. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
Matthew 3:13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?" 15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented. 16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
Acts 8:36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized? ” 38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.
Acts 16: 31 They replied, “Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved—you and your household.” 32 Then they spoke the word of the Lord to him and to all the others in his house. 33 At that hour of the night the jailer took them and washed their wounds; then immediately he and all his household were baptized.
Acts 22:16 And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’

From these we learn:
1.John's baptism was with water in which repentant received forgiveness. Jesus submitted himself to this baptism to accomplish all righteousness. His baptism blesses and gives His benefits to out baptism.
2.Those who heard Jesus' words to make disciples "baptizing them" in the name of our Triune God clearly understood that meant connecting Jesus Words with water. The other passages where people were baptized included water.
3.The Holy Spirit uses means to connect the blessings Jesus won to the won receiving them. In Baptism it is Water.
Acts 2: 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 The promise is for you and your children and for all who are far off—for all whom the Lord our God will call.” 40 With many other words he warned them; and he pleaded with them, “Save yourselves from this corrupt generation.”
41 Those who accepted his message were baptized, and about three thousand were added to their number that day.

Water baptism cannot save anyone nor can it wash away sins.
Only the Precious Blood of Jesus the Messiah, the only Begotten Son of God, can wash away our sins.

There is a specific reason why water baptism was being performed by John the Baptist and why the LORD partook in it and then commanded us to do the same.

Never base your salvation upon outward works = "Not by works lest any man should boast."

There are many on here promoting 'works salvation', which is error and not of the Truth.

Water baptism cannot save anyone nor can it wash away sins.
Only the Precious Blood of Jesus the Messiah, the only Begotten Son of God, can wash away our sins.

There is a specific reason why water baptism was being performed by John the Baptist and why the LORD partook in it and then commanded us to do the same.

Never base your salvation upon outward works = "Not by works lest any man should boast."

There are many on here promoting 'works salvation', which is error and not of the Truth.

Can anyone tell me if baptism is not important to salvation why were the first converts told to be baptised?

Can anyone tell me if baptism is not important to salvation why were the first converts told to be baptised?

Can anyone tell me why the first converts on the day of Pentecost were told to get baptized?

Funny thing = the Author of the book of Hebrews left out the H2O

In a similiar note, you will not see water baptism mentioned by the Author of the Book of Revelation.