Is Baptism necessary for Salvation?

If you want to PROVE water Jesus is mentioned is baptism SHOW ME WHERE JESUS TOLD HIM TO BE BAPTISED

otherwise all you are doing is playing games

PS. Baptism is an action word. It does not always, and has NEVER always meant to be immersed or placed in water. I thought you would have had more respect for the word of God and studied what the GREEK word means. But I guess you want to remain in your state of denial

Baptized (immersed) into christ NOT WATER

your trying to see water where there is none, while your tryingn to see baptism where jesus never mentioned it
wrong verses. Nothing there mentions being born again or being given life.

13 Jesus answered and said to her, “Whoever drinks of this water will thirst again, 14 but whoever drinks of the water that I shall give him will never thirst. But the water that I shall give him will become in him a fountain of water springing up into everlasting life.”

where is the word Baptism. why did not Jesus tell her to be baptised to get life?
again, You are just proving you are not sincere in lookin at what is said. We are talking about being born again, Passing from life to death Are you going to tell me that is not in John 5???

24 “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.

Here again, just like in John 3. Jesus tells a person how to be born again (a second time) by hearing the word and believing in Christ.]

You are right about one thing. No mention of baptism. Just like I said. You just proved my point for me

again you are right. No mention of baptism.

Yet jesus said this

John 6:
35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day. 40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. (same thing Jessu said in John 3) 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

No mention of baptism AGAIN. why? BECAUSE WATER BAPTISM IS NOT REQUIRED.

don't attack me of not studying when it is you who has failed to study!

May God bless you.

That is not what Jesus said. He said he who believes and is baptized shall be saved. (Mark 16:15-16) NOT: get baptized after you are saved.

The scripture indicates they were both water baptized and afterward received the Holy Ghost. A search of all instances of baptism in the name of Jesus refer to water baptism.

Acts 19:2-6
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.

When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

The command to be water baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus for remission of sin is a NT requirement. Jesus prophesied this would occur in Luke 24:47. The OT provides numerous foreshadows; the ordination of priests, (consider NT believers are considered part of the priesthood) Noah's flood, crossing the Red Sea, and t crossing the Jordan into the promised land, Elijah's water crossing prior to being taken up in the whirlwind, etc.

The bible is clear. Sin cannot enter into the kingdom of God. And obedience to water baptism in the name of Jesus remits individual's sin made available through Jesus' sacrifice.

Also Ananias told Paul to submit to baptism in order for his sins to be washed away. Acts 22:16

Notice all detailed conversions include the need to be water baptized in Jesus' name and receive the Holy Ghost.
(Acts 2:38-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 16:14-15, 19:1-6, 22:16) The instructions given in these scriptures directly parallel what Jesus said was necessary in John 3:5.

Yes. Just prior to His ascension, Jesus said that repentance and remission of sin would be preached in His name in all nations BEGINNING in Jerusalem. (Luke 24:47) The need to repent and be baptized in His name for the remission of sin was first preached in Jerusalem on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 2:36-42) And the same message was presented to all groups of humanity, and individuals:
(Acts 2:36-41, (Jews) 8:12-18, (Samaritans; half Jewish-half Gentile) 10:44-48, (Gentiles) 19:1-6, (individuals in Ephesus) 22:16 (Paul)
This proves the command pertains to everyone as specifically stated when first presented by the Apostle Peter:

"Repent, and be baptized EVERY ONE of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins..." Acts 2:38

There are many scriptures that reference required obedience to the God-given command to be water baptized for remission of sin. A search of all baptism scripture references prove this point. It is only through acceptance of all scripture that people come to know the truth. (2 Tim. 3:16)

Proof of what Jesus stated in John 3:5 concerning being born of water and Spirit is seen in all detailed conversions. They involve water (baptism) and receiving the Holy Ghost. (Acts 2:36-41, 8:12-18, 10:44-48, 16:14-15, 19:1-6, 22:16)

God knows Paul needed cleansing. He held Stephens cloak while the crowd he incited stoned Stephen to death. Paul and Ananias would also be familiar with the Mikvah. Which did not bring the submerged into salvation.

Jesus ,as he said, is the water of everlasting life.

The teaching that God requires more than his personal bestowal of faith and grace to save a person is a teaching that will not be righted until God sees fit for its adherents.
L ord knows, cults have twisted scripture to mislead people to horrific acts.

Salvation not being true or secured without baptism is in comparison a relatively mild hurdle to overcome.
Not so much for those who taught it. As they answer to a stricter judgement. Especially in this matter of such importance as that which dares to say what God gifts needs emersion of his believers before they are truly his.
Nonsense!

My observation won't change those minds though.
Only God.

You are wrong.
God's word should change your mind;

Baptism is Required



Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

Acts 19:4 And Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in the one who was to come after him, that is, Jesus.”

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).

I acknowledge one thing...your rationale, while total folly, is different than the normal new age religion's approach.

Since you wish to be innovative........please explain why your advocacy never appeared in the Christian community until.........after the 1960's?
You appear to be one who ignore's God's word if it does not fit your desired narrative. That's sad.

He has, very much, thank you

when you can show me in John 3, John 4 John 5 and John 6. whern jesus told us what we must do to be born a second time (born again) the word baptism is required.

Then we can talk

Until then. You have not done anything you have not already done last time we spoke. and I will move on.

Paul's water baptism was for the washing away of his personal sin in accordance with the NT command initially presented on the Day of Pentecost. (Acts 22:16, 2:38) Obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus for the remission of sin went into effect after Jesus' death, burial and resurrection.

If is not up to me to convince anyone to accept what is in the word. It is God who reveals His truth when people believe and obey His commands in association with the rebirth. Notice John 3:3 says UNLESS a man/person is born again they cannot SEE the kingdom of God. Those who have eyes cannot see (comprehend) if they refuse to believe and obey the word.

Excuse me sir

When you claim someone is in error. It is up to you to prove that error

If you want to prove I am in error. Then kindly answer my questions. Or prove you are the one in error. The choice is up to you.

I will not get into another argument with you. You can either prove where jesus said in those passages baptism is required for the second birth (spiritual) in those passages

Or prove you can;t in which case, You have as much as proved I am right

Baptism is an outward sign of an inward grace .

We go down in water,buried that old dead sin filled self, and resurrect washed clean and reborn. It is symbolic. Just as the Mikvah was.
Reborn of and from the living water that is Jesus.

If we are not baptized for whatever reason or cause, such as converts on their deathbed in Hospice, we are still saved by the grace of God.

Is baptism necessary for salvation? That is the cart before the horse . . .

Repent and believe the gospel and be baptized. There you have it!
It is the grace of God that brings salvation and our baptism comes out of that and empowers our living and our Christian testimony.

There is more than one kind of baptism too. I think that is sometimes overlooked as well.

In fact in the whole of the bible there are 7 kinds of baptism. A number that I think affords a message in itself.