Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

What are you looking for exactly?

First you make a false accusation and then it seems you would like a blood sample or something.

You are exactly suggesting something about whether or not I am saved. You simply prove true what I stated about folks who really do not have a leg to stand on when it comes to their own interpretation. You either get nasty or question their salvation. You think salvation is a psychological issue? It's actually a spiritual issue.

Besides the world being flat, pretty sure your head is also.

Hi Lucy-Pevensie

I have a much loved gift of Christian interpretation in these matters so always try to make the topics as accessible as possible to human experience by using visual demonstrations and things like that. Your description above is a technical expression of what is called Rule III-

"Rule III. The qualities of bodies, which admit neither [intensification] nor remission of degrees, and which are found to belong to all bodies within the reach of our experiments, are to be esteemed the universal qualities of all bodies whatsoever." Newton

http://strangebeautiful.com/other-texts/newton-principia-rules-reasoning.pdf

It amounts to an opinion/theory on mutual attraction, where the Earth attracts the apple, the Earth attracts the moon, the moon attracts the tides and finally the Sun attracts the Earth. What is more relevant is that it introduced the so-called 'scientific method' which asserts that experimental sciences scale up to solar system research and Earth sciences like biology, geology and climate (Rule III).

The idea is that predictable behaviour of objects at a human level scale up to astronomical predictions and how Newton tried to merge this approach with the works of Copernicus, Galileo and Kepler and especially the latter.

It is rare that I encounter any person willing to inspect what we inherit as a doctrine and a subculture, but it has a total influence on how people appreciate their terrestrial and celestial surroundings. It surfaces here in the awful poll as to whether the Earth is round/flat if you know what I mean.

If the earth was flat, would it make being right any less important?

Flat Earth topics are not about importance but about entertainment.

I didn't make this poll Really for responding to the question but I made It because I wanted to participate In Christian Chat And just for general Information and so far I think the majority In the community believe In a round earth.😀

Your powers of logic and reasoning are faulty - I never suggested any of this...

Did God create everything or did modern science and scientific journals do it?

Not believing what the Bible says is inherently a rejection of Biblical truth.

I do not know - I was not there...

However, I would suggest that it more-or-less has largely ended up that way...

It's not that simple.

Firstly, and most obviously, not believing someone else's interpretation of what the Bible says is not inherently a rejection of Biblical truth. We see this when someone presents a verse, or a few verses, out of context, along with some commentary leading them towards a particular interpretation, when other interpretations exist and may well be (more) valid.

Secondly, those who are new(er) to the Christian faith may not believe what the Bible says yet but believe the parts they have grasped. We aren't (commonly) given understanding of all that it says when we get saved, but need to read, study, and process.

A straight answer...?

I think not.

No - it has nothing to do with your salvation.

I was suggesting that any person who is born-again should readily agree that nothing man-made is to be trusted more than the Bible.

It was a general question not specific to Flat Earth.

Not being nasty. Not questioning your salvation.




SMH

I did not suggest that.

This might be a good time to say something about adding insult to injury - except, there is no injury - because, my skin is thicker than that...

What will be entertaining is - when God shows everyone the truth about His Creation...

Jaws will drop.

Mouths will gape.

Eyes will pop.

Minds will marvel.

Hearts will howl.

Pride will cease.





Well - okay - if it were not so sad, it would be entertaining...

It's funny when the atheist's think their mythology is actually more reasonable than the cosmology of the living God that created it when it is actually the most luridly wrong and the Lord God take them in their own mockery testifying just how utterly stupid their modern mythology is.

Isaiah 40:22 He sits above the circle of the earth— its inhabitants are like grasshoppers— He stretches out the skies like a curtain, spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

circle of the earth = sphere

what it was was both round AND flat

like...a pizza. For the people who cant decide lol.

How did Japan attack Pearl Harbor if the Earth is flat?

Im going with the earth where I am is clay and can be shaped however you like it.

I think some ppl need to wear their 3D glasses. lol

Thanks for those rules. Newton was very honest with science. He admitted he had no real idea what gravity is, only how to model it. This equation was the first universal law, meaning it seemed to fit all that is seen in the universe. Einstein dove into what gravity is, which makes it perhaps the greatest theory of all science.

Right, the scientific method presents a way to address all phenomena that allows measurements. We need philosophy and religion, or both, to help with areas that have little or no means of objective measurements.

It's the scientific method that refutes a flat earth hypothesis with many different lines of evidence, and with zillions of tests. GPS (satellite tracking) uses both special relativity and general relativity to get the accuracy measured in inches, but they offer no hope for a FE idea.

A whole host of other evidence exists (e.g. NASA) that takes the FE model to a region that, IMO, no religious person should be found --- the town of Sillyville. St. Augustine warned about the consequences of views that become laughable. It was Thomas Aquinas that spent about 3 years infusing Aristotle's views into Christianity, which includes a spherical Earth for a center of the universe. The pendulum swung too far, however, and it became dogma as per the Council of Trent, IIRC. The tenets of Christianity should not include science arguments. This is how the Church erred in punishing Galileo to a permanent house arrest. The relative motion of the Earth was held too closely as dogma, but Galileo was a believer and held to what we would consider to be tenets today, I assume.

Yes, his inverse square law, along with his calculus, greatly advanced Kepler's elliptical model.

We all tend to believe what we want to belief. The scientific method, with honesty and reason (Godly gifts), can make a difference over time. This is true, however, where only objective claims are applicable.

Here's a larger public poll regarding several issues. It shows that about 11% (5% for men, 14% for women) think a FE may be true.
FDU Poll: 2020 Election Conspiracy Believers More Likely to Embrace Bigfoot, Flat Earth | Fairleigh Dickinson University

Sir Isaac's inverse square law is an assault on the eyes so long as the observer knows what they are looking at-

"That the fixed stars being at rest, the periodic times of the five primary planets, and (whether of the sun about the earth, or) of the earth about the sun, are in the sesquiplicate proportion of their mean distances from the sun...This proportion, first observed by Kepler, is now received by all astronomers; for the periodic times are the same, and the dimensions of the orbits are the same, whether the sun revolves about the earth, or the earth about the sun." Newton

From 30 years experience, I found that while I may find it easy to navigate through all the ins and outs of what is being said, it is not the same for other Christians or indeed anyone trying to follow what Newton is attempting to do with Kepler's proposal which is entirely different -

"The proportion existing between the periodic times of any two planets is exactly the sesquiplicate proportion of the mean distances of the orbits, or as generally given, the squares of the periodic times are proportional to the cubes of the mean distances." Kepler

A wider perspective is necessary to get a full idea what Kepler is describing-

"But it is absolutely certain and exact that the ratio which exists between the periodic times of any two planets is precisely the ratio
of the 3/2th power of the mean distances, i.e., of the spheres themselves; provided, however, that the arithmetic mean between both
diameters of the elliptic orbit be slightly less than the longer diameter. And so if any one take the period, say, of the Earth, which is one year, and the period of Saturn, which is thirty years, and extract the cube roots of this ratio and then square the ensuing ratio by squaring the cube roots, he will have as his numerical products the most just ratio of the distances of the Earth and Saturn from the sun. 1 For the cube root of 1 is 1, and the square of it is 1; and the cube root of 30 is greater than 3, and therefore the square of it is greater than 9. And Saturn, at its mean distance from the sun, is slightly higher than nine times the mean distance of the Earth from the Sun." Kepler

The idea here is not to swamp Christians with observations which they are unfamiliar with, however, it demonstrates that someone is looking at these things with 21st century eyes. To arrive at a clear view where damage was done by Newton is also uncovering discoveries that many readers here would not have seen and appreciated before.

How to begin that journey requires a different type of Christian, but as a satisfying journey, it is well worth it for the community.

You were not there and neither was I.
I would suggest reading a good biography of Isaac Newton and/or Johannes Kepler. Both were Bible believers.

Newton wrote as much about The Bible & theology as he did on mathmatics & physics. He used English, Latin,
Greek & Hebrew. His manuscripts are held at - Cambridge University Library, The National Library of Israel and
King’s College Cambridge.

The legacy of faith in God may have been largely expunged from "science" in recent times but the majority of founders
& pioneers in those fields were approaching their work from a position of belief in the Bible.
Even in today's world of supressed Christian views there are still people who love God working in scientific fields- even
within NASA.

Hi. Putting an Arian like Newton between you and your appreciation of creation is disappointing, after all, solar system and Earth science research is primarily a visual exercise and not a mathematical exercise.

Copernicus reasoned that the Earth moved while the Sun did not by accounting for the motions of the slower moving Mars, Jupiter and Saturn-

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

An observer on a faster moving Earth sees the slower moving planets fall behind in view as our planet overtakes them so this alone infers the Earth moves and the Sun does not. Much like a faster moving car in an inner lane on a traffic roundabout sees slower moving cars in the outer lanes fall behind in view as they are overtaken, this analogy scales up to a solar system observation.

The ability to be inspired and inspiring is at the centre of Christian life mirroring the life of Christ so we love those who open up our appreciation of our surroundings -

"When a natural discourse paints a passion or an effect, one feels
within oneself the truth of what one reads, which was there before,
although one did not know it. Hence one is inclined to love him who
makes us feel it, for he has not shown us his own riches, but ours.
And thus this benefit renders him pleasing to us, besides that such
community of intellect as we have with him necessarily inclines the
heart to love." Pascal

Yes, but that does not mean that they could not be unwittingly deceived or that they made proper interpretation of scripture with regard to the true nature of the earth.