Creflo Dollar repents of teaching on tithing???
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genesis 28:
20 Then Jacob made a vow saying, “If God will be with me and watch over me on this way that I am going, and provide me food to eat and clothes to wear,
21 and I return in shalom to my father’s house, then ADONAI will be my God.
22 So this stone which I set up as a memorial stone will become God’s House, and of everything You provide me I will definitely give a tenth of it to You.”
20 Then Jacob made a vow saying, “If God will be with me and watch over me on this way that I am going, and provide me food to eat and clothes to wear,
21 and I return in shalom to my father’s house, then ADONAI will be my God.
22 So this stone which I set up as a memorial stone will become God’s House, and of everything You provide me I will definitely give a tenth of it to You.”
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thanks!
i had forgotten that
similar to the case with Abraham and the spoils of the war he fought to rescue the inhabitants of Sodom, this is not a 'regular gift or offering' tho, like what is set aside in the law for the Levites.
this is a one time promise that "if" God will watch over him on the journey he is taking, he will give a tenth of it to God when his journey is over.
is the fulfillment of his oath to God here?
how much of his livestock and his produce did he sacrifice? a tenth of it?
if so then what Jacob did with this one-time "tithe" was devote it as burnt offerings, not as material support for the Levites nor as food for the poor, which is what the tithe of the law is. i don't see evidence that they regularly donated their flocks and the produce of their land to a priest.
i had forgotten that
similar to the case with Abraham and the spoils of the war he fought to rescue the inhabitants of Sodom, this is not a 'regular gift or offering' tho, like what is set aside in the law for the Levites.
this is a one time promise that "if" God will watch over him on the journey he is taking, he will give a tenth of it to God when his journey is over.
is the fulfillment of his oath to God here?
So that day Esau started on his way back to Seir. Jacob, however, went to Sukkoth, where he built a place for himself and made shelters for his livestock. That is why the place is called Sukkoth.
After Jacob came from Paddan Aram, he arrived safely at the city of Shechem in Canaan and camped within sight of the city. For a hundred pieces of silver, he bought from the sons of Hamor, the father of Shechem, the plot of ground where he pitched his tent. There he set up an altar and called it El Elohe Israel.
(Genesis 33:16-20)
this is after his journey. he set up an altar -- naturally we suppose on that altar he made sacrifices.how much of his livestock and his produce did he sacrifice? a tenth of it?
if so then what Jacob did with this one-time "tithe" was devote it as burnt offerings, not as material support for the Levites nor as food for the poor, which is what the tithe of the law is. i don't see evidence that they regularly donated their flocks and the produce of their land to a priest.
the tithe wasn't money. it was produce or livestock.
you could redeem your animals if you didn't want to tithe them, but then according to the law you must add 1/5 of how much the priest values them at.
so according to the law if someone tithes money, it is 12% not 10%
details are in Leviticus 27
you could redeem your animals if you didn't want to tithe them, but then according to the law you must add 1/5 of how much the priest values them at.
so according to the law if someone tithes money, it is 12% not 10%
details are in Leviticus 27
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yes that is how the tithes of the law are designated. for the Levite because they have no inheritance, and used for the poor and needy in the land.
IMO the NT church doesn't "tithe" -- we give. i personally don't like to use the word tithe because it implies a legal obligation, and as Christians we aren't under an obligation or compulsion - we're simply not under the law.
when preachers go around talking about tithing the word itself makes the congregation think they are breaking a law if they don't pay this, like it's a bill.
God doesn't want us to think of our gifts as bills. He loves a cheerful giver - as much as we are moved in our hearts
IMO the NT church doesn't "tithe" -- we give. i personally don't like to use the word tithe because it implies a legal obligation, and as Christians we aren't under an obligation or compulsion - we're simply not under the law.
when preachers go around talking about tithing the word itself makes the congregation think they are breaking a law if they don't pay this, like it's a bill.
God doesn't want us to think of our gifts as bills. He loves a cheerful giver - as much as we are moved in our hearts
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yes that is how the tithes of the law are designated. for the Levite because they have no inheritance, and used for the poor and needy in the land.
IMO the NT church doesn't "tithe" -- we give. i personally don't like to use the word tithe because it implies a legal obligation, and as Christians we aren't under an obligation or compulsion - we're simply not under the law.
when preachers go around talking about tithing the word itself makes the congregation think they are breaking a law if they don't pay this, like it's a bill.
God doesn't want us to think of our gifts as bills. He loves a cheerful giver - as much as we are moved in our hearts
IMO the NT church doesn't "tithe" -- we give. i personally don't like to use the word tithe because it implies a legal obligation, and as Christians we aren't under an obligation or compulsion - we're simply not under the law.
when preachers go around talking about tithing the word itself makes the congregation think they are breaking a law if they don't pay this, like it's a bill.
God doesn't want us to think of our gifts as bills. He loves a cheerful giver - as much as we are moved in our hearts
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Is it gossip to warn others of wolves among the flock?
Your viewpoint has some merit, but it seems to me you don't fully understand what we're up against. If he was an upstanding saint in a local church and made a slip, then yeah, try to reason with him. But you can't reason with a wolf who's been in the wolf business over 36 years and shows no sign of changing. All you can do is warn.
Your viewpoint has some merit, but it seems to me you don't fully understand what we're up against. If he was an upstanding saint in a local church and made a slip, then yeah, try to reason with him. But you can't reason with a wolf who's been in the wolf business over 36 years and shows no sign of changing. All you can do is warn.
If he was truly repentant the Spirit would be able to convict him of all the other false doctrines he teaches.
When people do this, it's usually because: 1. It's a trick to fool his followers even more. 2. It's because somebody is about to legally expose them for something they did.
Either way, it's a hypocritical act.
When people do this, it's usually because: 1. It's a trick to fool his followers even more. 2. It's because somebody is about to legally expose them for something they did.
Either way, it's a hypocritical act.
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In that one video I posted it sounded like there were very few parishioners in the pews. He said something that elisited amens and applause but that sounded very sparse. Sometimes they would show his congregation during the broadcast. Not so of late.
Maybe he's trying to cover for getting arrested in June for attacking his 15 year old daughter.
Maybe he's trying to cover for getting arrested in June for attacking his 15 year old daughter.