Is The Earth Flat Or Round?

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Is The Earth Flat Or Round?


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Moses_Young

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#42
I recommend this one hour youtube video on the subject: "Flat Earth, Flat wrong" by Hovind and Sungenis.
And yet Hovind wouldn't debate Rob Skiba, and Sungenis lost a debate to him. It sure shows these guys knew their stuff on the matter.
 

Moses_Young

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#43
The Earth is a slightly oblate sphere. We live in three created spatial dimensions not two.
If the Earth was flat, your head would be flat as well.
If the Earth was flat there would be no sunrise or sunset. There wouldn't be any time zones.
It would be all dark or all light everywhere at the same time. The evidence is overwhelming.
If you think The Earth is flat, you need to get out more.
Based on your comments, you either don't understand the Flat Earth theory, or you've been to a CIA shill website which poses as a Flat Earth site.
 

Isaskar

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#44
Forget the science books for a second, maybe a better question would be, do you believe the earth is in orbit around the sun or is the sun orbiting the earth? Scripture seems to indicate the latter. Yes?
I have to admit I don't even know what the bible OR the secular world teaches on this. Could you show me the verse that shows the sun orbits around the earth? Is the first one what the world teaches?
 
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joecoten

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#46
I believe what I believe about the earth. If I ever see anything that changes my mind, fine. In the meantime, I'll spend my energies on things that actually matter...like getting breakfast!
 

Moses_Young

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#48
The Flat Earth matters to non-Christians, as if the Earth is flat, there is no Heliocentricity. If no Heliocentricity, no Big Bang. If there is no Big Bang, no Evolution. No Evolution, there must be a God (not aliens, as there is already no Heliocentricity).
 

John146

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#49
I have to admit I don't even know what the bible OR the secular world teaches on this. Could you show me the verse that shows the sun orbits around the earth? Is the first one what the world teaches?
The sun is compared to Jesus when he returns. Jesus will make a circuit from one end to the other. All will see him in his glory.

Psalm 19
1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.


Scripture states over and over that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. This is not old time ignorance because the writers didn't have knowledge. This is the Holy Spirit writing will all knowledge.
 

Isaskar

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#50
And yet Hovind wouldn't debate Rob Skiba, and Sungenis lost a debate to him. It sure shows these guys knew their stuff on the matter.
Who is Rob Skiba. I gotta look him up
 

Moses_Young

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#51
A late, great Flat Earth debater, speaker and Christian scripture apologist. He challenged both Kent Hovind (ball-Earth, heliocentric proponent) and Robert Sungenis (ball-Earth, geocentric proponent) to debate him on Flat Earth, using only scripture (i.e. whether the bible indicates a Flat Earth, or a Ball Earth). Kent Hovind backed away in fear, as he knew he would lose (the bible supports a Flat Earth). Sungenis debated Rob Skiba, but lost the debate.
 

Aerials1978

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#53
Will/Would it actually make any difference to anyone?

Until folks are willing to suspend their belief system long enough to 'hear' what the Bible actually says about it - it just remains a vague covered-over ignored detail in the creation story.

In Genesis 1:

~ the firmament separates water above it from water below it

~ God placed the sun, moon, and stars in the firmament

~ the birds fly in the firmament

This should be enough to get folks to thinking about just exactly what the firmament is and its significance in the big scheme of things.

Each of the three things in the list above is stated very plainly and directly in scripture.

Now, put the three together and consider it carefully.

God "hung" the sun, moon, and stars in the same "space" within which the birds fly.

The firmament includes the first heaven - and, possibly, the second heaven - depending on your POV concerning where the first heaven and second heaven meet.
The firmament is something I honestly have not looked into very much. The Bible is not a tell all of every single thing that is in creation. It’s a manual of how God deals with the fallen human race.

Image yourself in a pitch black arena and all you have is a lighter. That’s about how much knowledge God has given us at this point of everything that He truly is. Flat Earth/Globe Earth and what I believe will not be an issue when I stand before the Great White Throne Judgement
 

TheLearner

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#54
How so?

Did the earth stop rotating - go backwards - then forwards again - just to move the shadow on a sundial back 10 degrees?

How did all of that happen without anyone feeling/sensing/noticing it?
I am guessing simple Refraction and clould cover.

Joshua 10
Easy-to-Read Version
The Day the Sun Stood Still
10 At this time Adoni Zedek was the king of Jerusalem. He heard that Joshua had defeated Ai and completely destroyed it. The king learned that Joshua had done the same thing to Jericho and its king. He also learned that the Gibeonites had made a peace agreement with Israel and that they lived very near Jerusalem. 2 So Adoni Zedek and his people were very frightened. Gibeon was not a small town like Ai. It was a very big city—as big as any royal city.[a] And all the men in that city were good fighters, so the king was afraid. 3 King Adoni Zedek of Jerusalem talked with King Hoham of Hebron. He also talked with King Piram of Jarmuth, King Japhia of Lachish, and King Debir of Eglon. The king of Jerusalem begged these men, 4 “Come with me and help me attack Gibeon. Gibeon has made a peace agreement with Joshua and the Israelites.”

5 So these five Amorite kings joined their armies together. (The five kings were the king of Jerusalem, the king of Hebron, the king of Jarmuth, the king of Lachish, and the king of Eglon.) Their armies went to Gibeon, surrounded the city, and began fighting against it.

6 The people in the city of Gibeon sent a message to Joshua at his camp at Gilgal: “We are your servants! Don’t leave us alone. Come and help us! Hurry! Save us! All the Amorite kings from the hill country have brought their armies together to fight against us.”

7 So Joshua marched out of Gilgal with his whole army. His best fighting men were with him. 8 The Lord said to Joshua, “Don’t be afraid of those armies. I will allow you to defeat them. None of them will be able to defeat you.”

9 Joshua and his army marched all night to Gibeon, so it was a complete surprise when he attacked them.

10 The Lord caused those armies to be very confused when Israel attacked. So Israel defeated them and won a great victory. Israel chased the enemy from Gibeon along the road going up to Beth Horon. The army of Israel killed men all the way to Azekah and Makkedah. 11 Then they chased the enemy down the road from Beth Horon to Azekah. While they were chasing the enemy, the Lord caused large hailstones to fall from the sky. Many of the enemy were killed by these large hailstones. More men were killed by the hailstones than by the swords of the soldiers of Israel.

12 On that day the Lord gave Israel the victory against the Amorites. Joshua stood before all the Israelites and said to the Lord:

“Sun, stop over Gibeon.
Moon, stand still over the Valley of Aijalon.”

13 So the sun did not move, and the moon stopped until the people defeated their enemies. This story is written in the Book of Jashar. The sun stopped in the middle of the sky. It did not move for a full day. 14 That had never happened before, and it has never happened again. That was the day the Lord obeyed a man. The Lord really was fighting for Israel!

15 After this, Joshua and his army went back to the camp at Gilgal. 16 But during the fight, the five kings ran away. They hid in a cave near Makkedah, 17 but someone found them hiding in that cave. Joshua learned about this. 18 He said, “Cover the entrance to the cave with large rocks. Put some men there to guard the cave. 19 But don’t stay there yourselves. Continue chasing the enemy and attacking them from behind. Don’t let the enemy get back to their cities. The Lord your God has given you the victory over them.”

20 So Joshua and the Israelites killed the enemy. But some of them were able to go to their cities that had tall walls around them and hide. These men were not killed. 21 After the fighting, Joshua’s men came back to him at Makkedah. Not one of the people in that country was brave enough to say anything against the Israelites.

22 Joshua said, “Move the rocks that are covering the entrance to the cave. Bring the five kings to me.” 23 So Joshua’s men brought the five kings out of the cave—the kings of Jerusalem, Hebron, Jarmuth, Lachish, and Eglon. 24 When they brought the five kings to Joshua, he called all his men to come to that place. He said to the officers of his army, “Come here! Put your feet on the necks of these kings.” So the officers of Joshua’s army came close and put their feet on the necks of the kings.

25 Then Joshua said to his men, “Be strong and brave! Don’t be afraid. I will show you what the Lord will do to all the enemies you will fight in the future.”

26 Then Joshua killed the five kings and hanged their bodies on five trees. He left them hanging in the trees until evening. 27 At sunset Joshua told his men to take the bodies down from the trees. So they threw the bodies into the cave where the kings had been hiding and covered the entrance of the cave with large rocks. Their bodies are still in that cave today.

28 That day Joshua defeated Makkedah. He killed the king and the people in that city. No one was left alive. Joshua did the same thing to the king of Makkedah that he had done to the king of Jericho.

Taking the Southern Cities
29 Then Joshua and all the Israelites traveled from Makkedah to Libnah and attacked that city. 30 The Lord allowed the Israelites to defeat that city and its king. They killed everyone in the city. No one was left alive. And they did the same thing to that king as they had done to the king of Jericho.

31 Then Joshua and all the Israelites left Libnah and went to Lachish. Joshua and his army camped around that city and attacked it. 32 The Lord allowed them to defeat the city of Lachish. They defeated it on the second day. The Israelites killed everyone in the city, just as they had done in Libnah. 33 King Horam of Gezer came to help Lachish, but Joshua also defeated him and his army. No one was left alive.

34 Then Joshua and all the Israelites traveled from Lachish to Eglon. They camped around Eglon and attacked it. 35 That day they captured the city and killed everyone in the city. This was the same thing they had done to Lachish.

36 Then Joshua and all the Israelites traveled from Eglon to Hebron and attacked it. 37 They captured the city and all the small towns near Hebron. The Israelites killed everyone in the city, just as they did to Eglon. No one was left alive there. They destroyed the city and killed all the people in it as an offering to the Lord.

38 Then Joshua and all the Israelites went back to Debir and attacked it. 39 They captured the city, its king, and all the towns near Debir. They killed everyone in the city, just as they had done to Libnah and its king. No one was left alive there. They destroyed the city and killed all the people in it as an offering to the Lord.

40 So Joshua defeated all the kings of the cities of the hill country, the Negev, the western foothills, and the eastern foothills. The Lord, the God of Israel, had told Joshua to kill all the people, so Joshua did not leave anyone alive in those places.

41 Joshua captured all the cities from Kadesh Barnea to Gaza. He captured all the cities from Goshen to Gibeon. 42 Joshua captured all these cities and their kings in one series of battles. He did this because the Lord, the God of Israel, was fighting for Israel. 43 Then Joshua and all the Israelites returned to their camp at Gilgal.
 

PennEd

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#55
Two cents given:

This issue is sometimes conflated with the moon landing. So I’ll deviate a bit.

On a flat Earth, a plane ride from Buenos Aires Argentina, to Sydney Australia, would be exceedingly long and cross land (US). I do not think the mathematical equation for the distance and time matches for a flat Earth.

Still wouldn’t bet the ranch on a Globe.

But I WOULD bet the Ranch, and my life, we didn’t set foot on the moon. Way too much evidence that we did not.
 

Aerials1978

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#56
Two cents given:

This issue is sometimes conflated with the moon landing. So I’ll deviate a bit.

On a flat Earth, a plane ride from Buenos Aires Argentina, to Sydney Australia, would be exceedingly long and cross land (US). I do not think the mathematical equation for the distance and time matches for a flat Earth.

Still wouldn’t bet the ranch on a Globe.

But I WOULD bet the Ranch, and my life, we didn’t set foot on the moon. Way too much evidence that we did not.
What evidence is there that is actually credible and proves beyond a doubt that the moon landing was staged? I heard a lot of theories, but nothing that is actual
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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What evidence is there that is actually credible and proves beyond a doubt that the moon landing was staged? I heard a lot of theories, but nothing that is actual
I don't believe it was faked. But I'm not interested in arguing for or against it.

I just think this is beautiful and topically related. :) It's worth watching - only 2.49 mins long.
The Christmas Eve message from the Apollo 8 astronauts. I think it has been largely forgotten.


 

Lucy-Pevensie

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He stretches the northern skies over empty space; he hangs the earth on nothing. ~Job 26:7

 

Nehemiah6

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#60
Forget the science books for a second, maybe a better question would be, do you believe the earth is in orbit around the sun or is the sun orbiting the earth? Scripture seems to indicate the latter. Yes?
Since we have to depend on astronomers to provide this kind of information, I guess we have to assume that they are correct when they say that the earth revolves around the sun. Since the sun is not a planet that seems logical.