Research: Majority of Americans Believe Works Are the Key to Salvation

Since Jesus SAID PLAINLY that recipients of eternal life SHALL NEVER PERISH, it should be obvious to everyone that you have completely FAILED to understand John 15.

So, please quit quoting or citing what Jesus said WHEN you KEEP rejecting what He said in John 10:28.

WHEN a person believes, they POSSESS eternal life, and therefore, SHALL NEVER PERISH. That's what Jesus said.

But you don't believe Him.

It is very sad that you DON'T agree with the Lord Jesus Christ who SAID that recipients of eternal life SHALL NEVER PERISH.

My experience with church was something like yours in the fact that the church I was going to did ultimately drive me away. There were quite strict about wearing dress clothes. For about two years I wore dress clothes then I realized God doesn't really care about that. So I showed up to church in something casual and they refused to allow me to eat the Lord's supper and treated me coldly.

I was quite young at the time so I lost a lot of respect for the church right then and there. Now that I look back it, I should have just lost all respect for the elders and deacons at that particular church. Oh well, hopefully they learned from their mistake and repented, but you never really know. They probably thought they were in the right to deny me access to communion based on the clothes I was wearing.

I didn't return to church for probably 10 years or so, but not until I had what I believe was a divine encounter with God or an angel who preached the gospel to me and asked me to serve the "Holy Father, Holy Son, and Holy Spirit" again. That was life-changing for me especially since I had become somewhat atheistic-agnostic during those 10 years. I tested God a lot during that time and I feel like His way of conquoring me was ultimately making me His property.

Christianity wasn't just a bunch of stuff in a book like Harry Potter anymore. It was out of the armchair and into the real world where I could experience it just like the stories in the Bible. I had my proverbial 40 days in the wilderness like Jesus, tested and tempted by Satan himself, and afterward I became a prophet. In my experience, God uses messengers a lot. I have been given personal prophecies that have come true repeatedly and one time I transcribed part of the book of Genesis all through direct revelation. I have many many many more stories and I get new stories all the time, but that's for another thread.

I just felt inspired to share with you my experiences. Where I was and how I am where I am now. Christianity it real. I only wish all people could experience it like I do.

Matt 25
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

Please stop accused me not agree with Jesus, that accusation should apply to yourself
Read what Jesus say

Inherit the kingdom /save because helping the needy?
I bed you will accused Jesus saved base on work dont you?
Read the entire chapter

Who said they could?....
Dead faith is dead faith.
Stop the transference with God's word.

Faith without works is dead....That means that we have work to do for Christ.
I don't need a further response from new age religion thinking.
Bless you.

Has nothing to do with ...faith without works is dead.
Pray for God's blessing for understanding and spend more time in studying His Holy word.

You are so right...many miss use...saved.

If we prepare our hearts to be right with God and maintain righteousness until the end ...we will be saved.

I was talking to Jackson123 about the 'DoMore Treadmill' and you come barging in with a quote from James, "faith without works is dead".
So your "faith without works is dead" comment has absolutely nothing to do with the DoMore Treadmill and if you think it does then answer a similar question I asked Jackson..."How many works must one do before they know they are justified (declared righteous and accepted) by God?

I'll just ignore your last condescending sentence.

That was purposely entered. I thought we were talking God here!!!...NO?

How do you know when you have asked sufficiently for help from God in prayer?
My suggestion...never stop in quality, quantity or substance.

Yes, but which God? The one who like Allah, demands obedience, leaving his adherents in doubt of their future
or the God of the Bible who promises salvation on account of His Son's obedience?

lol, I asked first, when you answer mine I'll answer yours...

"How many works must one do before they know they are justified (declared righteous and accepted) by God?

This was in response to your James quote, "Faith without works is dead".

FreeGrace2 said:
Since Jesus SAID PLAINLY that recipients of eternal life SHALL NEVER PERISH, it should be obvious to everyone that you have completely FAILED to understand John 15.

So, please quit quoting or citing what Jesus said WHEN you KEEP rejecting what He said in John 10:28.

WHEN a person believes, they POSSESS eternal life, and therefore, SHALL NEVER PERISH. That's what Jesus said.

But you don't believe Him.
I will NOT stop until you realize that John 10:28 is about eternal security.

I've shown you what Jesus SAID. And you don't believe what He said. Or you simply reject it.

wrong on all accounts. In the context of helping the needy, one WILL inherit reward IN the kingdom. That's not about salvation.

Your second sentence is quite bizarre given that I've shown you verses that clearly state that salvation is by grace through faith.

I not only "read the chapter", I read all of the NT monthly. Have been doing that for about 2 decades.

You have built a doctrine on a few wrongly understood verses and completely ignore or reject the verses that PLAINLY refute your doctrine.

This indicates that you mind is closed to truth.

I was approaching thirty years old. I did not have a Christian background at all. Started from scratch.

The initial Christian journey was difficult. I struggled from the start, took a good three to four years to settle into church. Took about the same time to understand the New Testament, at a primitive level.

I had a similar experience and timing (25yo), no Church or Bible etc., just drugs and the occult etc..

Not easy was it.

Everyone in church seemed so holy, I knew nothing about Christianity. I had nothing much in common with anyone. It was another world, a strange world. It's as if they spoke another language.

Bible study on a Wednesday night was much better, I found that very interesting.

Everything takes time in Christianity. I do believe Jesus tailors the instruction, somewhat, according to each individual.

I would not trade that knowledge of Jesus Christ, that I had received for anything.

If I had my life over again, I would live it exactly the same way, so that I could hear the gospel again.

Which God?...there is more than one?

No need to respond.

no response to give, you mean.

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Depart from Jesus go to eternal fire because not helping the poor?
Not only losing reward?

Hmm

jesus make another mistake

This is work salvation

You only need to believe the death and Jesus resurection
Murder robing only losing reward not go to eternal fire

We need remind Jesus to correct His teaching

Why in Matt 25 : 41-46 by mistake Jesus teach people that not help the poor go to eternal phunisment
Eternal hell

Not still go to heaven only Lose reward?

Son always son

Adam was son

All Adam offspring must God son

No body go to hell, only losing reward
Jesus contradict Himself by saying only Whosoever believe save

Must be only whosoever believe not losing reward

Unbeliever still go to heaven, only lising reward

Let correct jesus

If eternal fire in Matt 25 mean only losing reward but still go to heaven than

1. I don't want lising reward
2. Some part of heaven is hot like fire

It doesn't matter eternal fire in Matt 25 mean only losing reward but still heaven or mean hell
I don't and nobody want going there

Absolutely, because Jesus warned us that the road to salvation is straight and narrow and that only a few of us will find it. Many are traveling down the wrong road, which leads to destruction. This is because many of us have heard about salvation but few of us want to do what is necessary to get salvation (many are called but few are chosen). (Matthew 7:13, 14) Many contend that Jesus did it all and now all we have to do is have faith.

The bible says, we must not only be a hearer of the word, but a doer of the word also (James 1:21-22). DON'T FOOL YOURSELF! If we really have faith in Jesus our actions will prove it. If Jesus is our Lord then we will obey him. Even a child will obey a parent, by getting good grades in school, for the reward of a new bicycle. The child cannot earn money for the bicycle, but instead must act upon their faith to receive the free gift. We must do the same to receive eternal life. "FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD” (James 2:20).