There Will Be No Future Millennium On This Earth, A False Teaching Of Man

I believe church age (salvation phase=God gives the Holy Spirit to the remaining elects that he sown) is already over.
We are in the beginning of sorrows (read Matthew 24).


Matthew 13:37-39
King James Version

37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;
38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;
39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee.
For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and his name one.

They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles(Zechariah 14).

When did this ever happen where the LORD was King over all the earth and His ways were on the whole earth which means everybody followed the LORD and no other god or religious figure.

Jesus said not one jot or tittle shall pass from the law until all is fulfilled which includes the roles of Israel but Jesus has not fulfilled the role of perfect King on earth because He came as humble servant so during the millennial reign Jesus will fulfill the role of perfect King on earth.

Ah ...

We have a delightful fuzzy grey there.

They did not like to brazenly do away with a doctrine so strongly held by the early "fathers" of the church and adhered to by the most of the faithful. There were the early "fathers" and the later "fathers" which together made up what is known as the Patristic church.

All looked for the Lord to come and set up His kingdom at Jerusalem from whence He was to reign for a 1, 000. Then came the awesome persecutions from successive Roman emperors and the age of the martyrs, the church in Jerusalem was no more, and the Lord had not returned.

This is what brought the doctrine into doubt.

At the same time Augustine the great theologian at Hippo was developing his theology of replacement as contained in his "Two Cities" in which the church had replaced Israel as the people of God. The church was now kingdom of God on earth, centred at Rome with the Pope as the earthly head. The church would reign for a 1, 000 years until the christian faith would spread to farthest most bounds of the earth, the heathen would be converted then Christ would come to judge the living and the dead.

This in essence is Amillenialism. It is a spiritual kingdom not a physical kingdom. It is mystic and not material.

But instead of outright denying the former doctrine and formerly adopting Amillenialism they simply allowed it to wither [as it were] on the vine. And Augustine was preached.

And with the so called "peace of the church" which looks like a shabby stitch up with Constantine whereby Constantine enlisted the help of the catholics to defeat the Byzantine empire Constantine declared the catholic church as the religion of the Roman empire.

The church and the Roman empire were to work together to conquer the heathen world.

strangely the written works of the early "fathers" disappeared, we have only a few fragments of them.

With Amillenialism came anti semitism.

Secular history has no fulfilling spiritual waking we all experience unseen truth, flesh Greats teach by waiting for Christ to come when it is in them, Paul hinted about where it is! 2Cor 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
Kingdom was mentioned by Luke 17:20And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation: 21Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”

It is crazy how so much bible doctrine has been distorted by the RCC. Throughout history they've added, removed, and twisted the truth; resulting in God's people being destroyed for lack of actual knowledge. The fight to remove the vail of darkness continues. Thank you very much for sharing the truth!

Yes the local church age, I believe ended sometime after Paul departed this world.
Acts 20: 29-31 emphases this fact.
Paul says he cried day and night for 3 years warning his brethren of what was to come. I think that I possibly could cry for 1 week straight (maybe) although I don't think I have ever cried for one day straight. But to cry for 3 years straight, Paul must have seen the Devil in the mix of things.
This principle is called the abomination of desolation that would take hold of the world.

Right there is a reign in heaven already

“but ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭12:22-24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Jesus was preparing his disciples for the kingdom after this life, after this earthly place

“Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal: for where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭6:19-21‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Paul states it like this

“If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God. Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭3:1-3‬ ‭

the kingdom in heaven is here where Jesus and his people reign

“And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them.


Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭12:10-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬


a few things you see here those celebrating in heaven had already died they overcame by the gospel d now are reigning in heaven in Jesus kingdom while the earth is under assault by the devil Simultaneously

Salvation came to heaven and Satan was cast out into earth in the rams salvstion will come again from heaven to earth until then the overcomes reign in heaven with Christ a thousand years is the same as a day and a day the same as a thousand years it’s not a literal measire of time

“But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:8‬

until he returns his people who accept the gospel on earth go to be with him when they leave this place they enter his kingdom in heaven and reign here until the restoration of earth

“After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; and cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

And all the angels stood round about the throne, and about the elders and the four beasts, and fell before the throne on their faces, and worshipped God, saying, Amen: Blessing, and glory, and wisdom, and thanksgiving, and honour, and power, and might, be unto our God for ever and ever. Amen. And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them. They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat. For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭7:9-12, 14-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬

that’s in heaven before Gods throne in his kingdom Later in the end this happens that kingdom comes to the new earth

“And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God. And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:2-4‬ ‭

fulfilling this ultimately

“And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

and hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭5:9-10‬ ‭

the new earth that is

“Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:13‬ ‭

Your correct there is a new place waiting

The bible is a very complex book and is infinite in every way which means that our minds in it's natural state can never comprehend it.

But in the spirit and by the Spirit of God we are led into truth.
My belief is that the church is already in heaven and ruling with Jesus Christ with a rod of iron.

Rev 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
Rev 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
Rev 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.
Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

The church was in the 1st resurrection spoke about in Revelations 20.

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

The rest of the dead spoken of above is us.

Rev 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

The key to understanding Revelation is to not come with any preconceived ideas and not to read any man-made books but to let the holy Spirit reveal everything to you.

1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Lastly I should say that you should believe no man, preferably listen to no man.
Again do not believe anything that I am saying to you because it sounds good or whatever.

If you accept anything without getting it from God, you will be completely confused as God who does things perfectly takes us from foundation, one step at a time, building a structure that fits all together perfectly.

yeah I think I agree with alot of what your saying , when you say through the spirit of God what is it your actually saying ? What I’m mean is what if I were to ask you “ how does the spirit of God tangibly work in me ?” What’s the process. For a believer ?

everything God said and has to say to all of mankind and purposes for us to know is in scripture. When you say “ Gods spirit “ you are talking about Through Jesus and the gospel .

The Holy Spirit preached the Gospel and said believe the gospel and you will receive the Holy Spirit “

“Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened, And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him,

and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭3:21-22‬ ‭KJV‬‬

notice Jesus began preaching the gospel only at this point ? And began to speak say thing like this

“For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:38‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.

I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.”
‭‭John‬ ‭8:23-24, 26-27‬ ‭

This moment of the messiah being born , receiving Gods spirit , Gods voice declaring this was his son the promised Christ is all foretold , this Mans words being the words of God was foretold so when Jesus is saying

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48-50‬ ‭KJV‬‬

He repeatedly says this and then we have another witness from the one who baptized him

“He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth:

he that cometh from heaven is above all. And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.

For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:31-36‬ ‭KJV‬‬

to look at what John said there and then

“For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:22, 24, 26-

When he’s telling beloevers about receiving the holy spirit the truth about it , he’s telling them to love him and to believe keep his words if they really love him and he will come to them

“Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you. But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.”
‭‭John‬ ‭14:23-26‬ ‭KJV‬‬

the Holy Spirit is who preached the gospel is my point when you say through the spirit christs word what he said is where that gets into our minds and hearts the understanding doesn’t magically happen at least not for
Me

I think it’s about pursuing this understanding not by sitting and reading a Bible but by believing learning from and the. Acting out those things we learn whe. We do study the Bible

Noah was told something by God that seemed improbable to the natural
Man you have to first hear God say “
There’s a flood coming Noah and also believe Gods telling the truth . So in relation to the gospel our flood is coming too but are we gonna believe and respond like Noah ? Again though we can’t believe what we don’t know about and can’t know what we don’t hear or read or some form of reception

I believe all thkngs come by the spirit too brother I think maybe the spirit is being interpreted differently toy by us I’m looking at it like the bolt spirit spoke forth the gospel through Christ and said it would be the same forever and sent it to everyone to believe and if they do they will receive his spirit and of course would get baptized if they believed

“It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:63‬ ‭KJV‬‬

We have to hear it though before we’ll ever know it already slot of folks are going to agree with a lot of what Jesus says but there’s also stuff we’re going to struggle with

I don’t believe salvstion depends on a full or even super deep
Understanding some get that some don’t but salvation I think is a loot believing what you do Hear and know and walking in that accountability or living up to it walking by that faith

I did find a lot of points of agreement in your post however urgency is important but hearing first is necassary to believe something

“For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:13-14, 17‬ ‭

But my belief is that we need to hear it believe it and then move into putting it into practice in our lives if we aren’t already in line with his doctrine of forgiveness , generosity , giving , seeking to do good for others In Need , getting away from the sins of our past lives and into the thkngs of the gospel I think hearing is first and then believing comes and doing results

this all the world of the spirit through the word of the gospel[/QUOTE]


I am going to share my experiences with you in brief.

I believe that your focus is correct and the gist of the whole matter is not theory and theology first but obedience.

Adam in the garden was perfect, but obedience was needed.
Lucifer in heaven was special but pride overtook him and he fell.
The same thing with Herod who worms ate up his body.

So the bottom line is that Obedience is better than sacrifice.

Now theory and theology and doctrines are necessary but those are not the prerequisites. God give those to us when we prove that we can be trusted. Yes knowledge comes afterwards like night follows day.

But our world or the natural man seeks knowledge first (like Eve was seeking) which is backwards to God's requirements.

I am not privy to your belief about water baptism. But you brought out the importance of baptism in the first few lines of post.

But John the Baptist makes very clear that water baptism would past (just as he himself would diminish) as there was one coming who would baptize instead with the Holy Ghost and with fire.

Yes as the Holy Ghost landed upon Jesus after his baptism which was a requirement of the Jewish Law and of the first covenant, so too will the Spirit of Christ fall upon us (the 2nd covenant) after the Holy Spirit does his work of sanctification in our lives.

Again there will be a lot of grumbling about what I have said, but each person is entitled to his way as God has ordained it to be so.

Jesus told John, the disciple when he wanted to stop others from casting out evil spirits out of others because they were not with Jesus's group, to leave them alone, he who is not against us, is with us.

This is one of the first principles of Christianity, leave them alone, for God is sovereign and has ordained all things.