As in the days of Noah... ALL flesh had CORRUPTED itself

After all the time not watching chickens and ducks in the barn there has never been a chuck… or a dicken.

Angels cannot have sex with humans. Begin there and several issues become clearer.

Don't take this wrong I agree with the vast majority of it,,, again though backing up into the Scriptures your quoting there's something easily missed in that there are two groups of angels who fall/fell,,, The one group fell(past tense) and they are reserved in chains of darkness ect.ect. so they fell past tense(you stated why with the Scriptures you quoted) and so they(those angels) fell prior to the deluge.

Again though there is an whole "other group" of angels spoken of as "and also afterward" in the scriptures. That is Satan,the devil the dragon who is obliviously not bound in chains ect. until the judgment along with the others who fell before the flood. In Job Satan states to God that he was "to and fro up and down in the earth"(after the flood=not in the first group before the flood). In Rev. 12 he is cast out of heaven because there is no more place found for him there. He is bound in chains at the beginning of the Mill.(Rev.19) and then loosed in Rev.20 so he(Satan,the devil) is not among the angels being spoken of in Jude,2 Peter ect. who are reserved until the judgment past tense but of the group "and also afterward" who directly effect the earth after the flood(the second group that fall). I'll leave this at that for now in that the first group fell(past tense) and are reserved in chains until judgment(only apply to before the flood) and then there is the other group of angels who fall/fell who exist present tense(after the flood till now) who are not among those angels who took wives as the first group did.

Matthew 24: 37 But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Why did God utterly destroy, and wipe clean the entire world He created, and everything in it, save Noah, his family, and the selected animals aboard the Ark?

To answer this question we have to closely examine Genesis 6, the fallen angels that mated with human women, their progeny the Nephilim, and the proclamation 4 There were giants (Nephilim) on the earth in those days, AND ALSO AFTERWARD,..

So why do I believe this issue is so important? Because Jesus said in the end days things would be like in the days of Noah. I contend that we are living in the end days, and are doing the same things that that led God to destroy the world.

Matthew 24: 22 And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved;

So first I'll lay out SOME of the vast Biblical proof that fallen angels DID mate with human women producing the Nephillim, hybrid race, the ALSO AFTERWARD, and the CORRUPTED flesh.
Then talk about how we are committing the same sin that they did.

But I will NOT be doing much, if any, debating with those that either can't, or won't accept the plain Biblical truth about fallen angels. That is not speculative. I will be doing some speculation, but that fact is not. If there are honest, skeptical questions fine. But otherwise I'd recommend just scrolling on by.

One night during 1974, my friend and I were walking from his place to my place. We encountered a being something like this. We were 5 feet from it and it looked me directly in the eyes. We both saw exactly the same thing and we were both terrified by it. We ran from it.
Our 15 minute walk took 75 minutes. I saw it again 2 1/2 years later, though I stayed away from it this time. I have no trouble believing that fallen watcher angels could procreate.
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We continue to get closer and closer to how things were in the days of Noah, where ALL flesh had corrupted itself.

Between DNA altering vaccines and genetically modified EVERYTHING, we are in critical danger of committing THE sin that caused the World's destruction. Corrupting, on a genetic level, God's Creation.


Genesis 6:12

New King James Version

12 So God looked upon the earth, and indeed it was corrupt; for ALL flesh had corrupted their way on the earth.


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Much of this will be repetitive to what others have said. But I want outlay the whole picture. Sometimes in broad strokes, sometimes in detail. Please feel free to post more Biblical proof, that perhaps hasn't been reported yet.

Genesis 6 New King James Version (NKJV)
The Wickedness and Judgment of Man
6 Now it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born to them, 2 that the sons of God saw the daughters of men, that they were beautiful; and they took wives for themselves of all whom they chose.

So defining who the "sons of God" are is really the whole ballgame, and ends any opposition to the fallen angels fact.

That the text makes a CONTRAST between the sons of God, and humans is evident.

NO HUMAN is a son of God BEFORE Jesus' death and resurrection!

In fact, even the supposed GOOD guy, Seth, who's children are erroneously taught by many to be the "sons of God" in Genesis 6, was not Spiritually made in God's image. NO ONE IS until they are born again. Seth was made in fallen ADAM'S image. As are we all, until our new birth.

Genesis 5:3 New King James Version (NKJV)
3 And ADAM lived one hundred and thirty years, and BEGOT a son IN HIS OWN LIKENESS, AFTER HIS IMAGE, and named him Seth.
POST ADAMIC FALL!


The term for sons of God is "bene elohim" and it is found in only one other Book of the Bible. It's in Job, and there really is no debate that in Job, it refers to Angels.

Before posting it, we should talk a bit about Angels. The word angel, simply means "messenger". It does not necessarily denote one, complete, race of beings. The Bible talks about ranks of angels, and arch-angels, and cherubim, etc.. What manner and type of "angels" left Heaven and sinned, or even assembled before God in Job, we simply don't know. But BOTH were a part of the "Angelic" Heavenly realm.

I'll just post one of the Job references:

Satan Attacks Job’s Character
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God (BENE ELOHIM) came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them.

It's the exact term used in Genesis 6. Conclusive all on it's own, but there's so much more.

After all the time not watching chickens and ducks in the barn there has never been a chuck… or a dicken.

Angels cannot have sex with humans. Begin there and several issues become clearer.

Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The text plainly says the children of the fallen angels and human women are the Nephilim. They were endowed with massive size and power. I believe the Greek Legends derive from these guys. Although I am not saying all that the Greek Legends say is accurate.

But it does mention "AND ALSO AFTWERWARD"...

So what comes also afterward? The text says the Giants, or Nephilim come after. After what? The flood.

Does this mean MORE fallen angels mate with women after the flood? I don't think so. Seems very unlikely, although possible. It appears not ALL the angels that fell with Satan committed this sin that Jude and Peter talk about. But they would have seen the immediate, incredibly harsh judgement, and place where those that did are kept. Tartarus!

The word is used only ONE time in Scripture, and in most translations is usually rendered as "hell". It's unfortunate because this confuses people. Most of the western world think of hell as the lake of fire. That word is Gehenna in the NT.

2 Peter 2:4 New King James Version (NKJV)
4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell (TARTARUS) and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment;

So what do we know about "Tartarus"? Really not too much. This from Wikipedia of all places:

In Greek mythology, Tartarus (/ˈtɑːrtərəs/; Ancient Greek: Τάρταρος, Tártaros)[1] is the deep abyss that is used as a dungeon of torment and suffering for the wicked and as the prison for the Titans. Tartarus is the place where, according to Plato's Gorgias (c. 400 BC), souls are judged after death and where the wicked received divine punishment. Tartarus is also considered to be a primordial force or deity alongside entities such as the Earth, Night, and Time.

This definition is not totally accurate. There is no Biblical proof that any humans went to Tartarus, Tartarus is not Hades/Sheol, but it's does paint an awful picture of where these particular fallen angels currently are.


The point is, the rest of the angels wouldn't want any part of that place.

Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

The text plainly says the children of the fallen angels and human women are the Nephilim. They were endowed with massive size and power. I believe the Greek Legends derive from these guys. Although I am not saying all that the Greek Legends say is accurate.

Does God grant ALL life?
Is God's Sovereignty limited? (Meaning that God us not Sovereign)
Is God omnipotent (ALL power comes from God)
Is God omniscient? Knows everything...including the end just as well as the beginning and current.
Does God set up leaders or depose them at will?
Is God immutable? Or does He change his mind on his whims?
Your assertions defy all these things. Make God to be less than God. As if God can be thwarted (at least on a temporary basis)

Try again....I'm not buying it.

After all the time not watching chickens and ducks in the barn there has never been a chuck… or a dicken.

Angels cannot have sex with humans. Begin there and several issues become clearer.

What the texts plainly says is
Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Cults most often relate Scripture to sex in one way or other.

What was going on ?
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Was everyday 'normal life' sinful yet everyday normal.

I have no idea what the heck you're talking about.

Maybe you meant to put this post somewhere else? Cause it makes zero sense here in relation to anything I've said.

What the texts plainly says is
Genesis 6:3 And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.” 4 There were giants on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

Cults most often relate Scripture to sex in one way or other.

What was going on ?
Mat 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
Mat 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
Was everyday 'normal life' sinful yet everyday normal.

Yes I meant to put it exactly here...to the line of thought that you had posted...see my post that directly proceeds this one to Beckie that supports my position.

I mean, all these questions are answered and re-answered in this thread.

But I'll reiterate one part of what you're talking about here.


Matthew 24:38

New King James Version

38 For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark,

Just like today, there were illicit marriages going on.

Let's look at the word "eating" here.

5176. trógó ►
trógó: to gnaw, munch, crunch

There are 6 occurrences in the NT of this word. All dealing with eating human flesh. Here, in Matt. 24, and the rest is Jesus talking about eating His Flesh.

There are several other Greek words used in the NT to denote what WE think of when we say eating, such as:

2068. esthió ►
esthió: to eat

You don't have to read Enoch to see that the Nephilim were cannibals. We are Told that in Numbers 13:32.


So in Noah's day we had:

1. DNA manipulation of God's Creation

2. Unnatural marriage unions

3. Rampant cannibalism


So Jesus is saying that is going to be the condition of the Earth's inhabitants upon His return. That's why keeping track of how we are mixing species, even with ourselves, is so important.

THAT, was THE sin that caused God to wipe the world clean, and start anew.