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cv5

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Both the Jew and the gentile suffer from the same malady: Being born unto sin by the first Adam.

Both have the same prescription for their cure: to believe in the completed work of the Second Adam, and thereby be born again unto righteousness.
 

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Being born of the flesh in Adam caused all of us to be and become sinners! Horrific!

But, all can be born of the second Adam, Jesus Christ, and become righteous in Christ Jesus! Wonderful! Exhilarating! PTL!
 
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God has placed BOTH Jew and Gentile into ONE BODY = HIS SON = Yeshua HaMoshiach

THEREFORE = What God has joined Together let no man separate - Amen
 

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God has placed BOTH Jew and Gentile into ONE BODY = HIS SON = Yeshua HaMoshiach

THEREFORE = What God has joined Together let no man separate - Amen
Um... while your implied conclusion is valid, the path by which you got there definitely isn't. You took Jesus' words about marriage and are attempting to imply a correlation to Jews and Gentiles. Nothing in Scripture suggests that Jews marry Gentiles to become the body of Christ.
 

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The Good Shepherd teaches He has His original Flock and another Flock which He is going to unite as One Flock.

The original is Israel, the other is Gentiles. Brought together they form the Israel of God to come.

Jesus Yeshi Yah is the Shepherd.
 
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The Good Shepherd teaches He has His original Flock and another Flock which He is going to unite as One Flock.

The original is Israel, the other is Gentiles. Brought together they form the Israel of God to come.

Jesus Yeshi Yah is the Shepherd.
The true Light who gives light to every man was coming into the world. He was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him. He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. But to all who did receive Him, to those who believed in His name, He gave the right to become children of God— children born not of blood, nor of the desire or will of man, but born of God.

Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved. For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
For Messiah is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
 
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Um... while your implied conclusion is valid, the path by which you got there definitely isn't. You took Jesus' words about marriage and are attempting to imply a correlation to Jews and Gentiles. Nothing in Scripture suggests that Jews marry Gentiles to become the body of Christ.
Did you ever read the Bible or just a few verses here and there?

There is only ONE BODY of MESSIAH = Jew and Gentile

Therefore, what God has JOINED Together let no man separate.

This not only speaks of a physiscal man and his physical wife but of Christ and His Bride/the Saints/His Elect
 

Dino246

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Did you ever read the Bible or just a few verses here and there?
In light of the rest of your post, you should ask that question of yourself.

There is only ONE BODY of MESSIAH = Jew and Gentile
True, and talking about Jew and Gentile, not husband and wife. Not a directive at all.

Therefore, what God has JOINED Together let no man separate.
From a completely different context, and a directive statement rather than a statement of truth.

This not only speaks of a physiscal man and his physical wife but of Christ and His Bride/the Saints/His Elect
Wrong. Man is completely incapable of separating Christ from His bride. Man is, however, capable of separating a husband from his wife. Once again, you are attempting to draw a link between union of one human to another in marriage and joining of one "race" with another in Christ. There is no correlation between them.
 

cv5

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Both the Jew and the gentile suffer from the same malady: Being born unto sin by the first Adam.

Both have the same prescription for their cure: to believe in the completed work of the Second Adam, and thereby be born again unto righteousness.
Might I add....those born again by faith in The Second Adam also partake in His victory over the world, the flesh and the devil.
 
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In light of the rest of your post, you should ask that question of yourself.


True, and talking about Jew and Gentile, not husband and wife. Not a directive at all.


From a completely different context, and a directive statement rather than a statement of truth.


Wrong. Man is completely incapable of separating Christ from His bride. Man is, however, capable of separating a husband from his wife. Once again, you are attempting to draw a link between union of one human to another in marriage and joining of one "race" with another in Christ. There is no correlation between them.



Holy Spirit to Dino246,
A.) Jew and Gentile are ONE BODY = the BODY of MESSIAH = spoken of as ONE Bride waiting for their Groom/Savior.

B.) What applies to a Husband and His Wife applies to Messiah and His Bride.

C.) Sinful man indeed has and continues to separate Jew from Gentile in the Body of Christ.

D.) False doctrine, the RCC, pre-trib rapture, proponents of the law and others are those that seek to separate Jew from Gentile in Messiah.

E.) TRUTH CALLING Dino246 - Ephesians 5:22-33

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, His body, of which He is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless.

In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. Indeed, no one ever hated his own body, but he nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church. For we are members of His body.

“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”
This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church.
Nevertheless, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
 

Dino246

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Holy Spirit to Dino246,
A.) Jew and Gentile are ONE BODY = the BODY of MESSIAH = spoken of as ONE Bride waiting for their Groom/Savior.

B.) What applies to a Husband and His Wife applies to Messiah and His Bride.

C.) Sinful man indeed has and continues to separate Jew from Gentile in the Body of Christ.

D.) False doctrine, the RCC, pre-trib rapture, proponents of the law and others are those that seek to separate Jew from Gentile in Messiah.

E.) TRUTH CALLING Dino246 - Ephesians 5:22-33

Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, His body, of which He is the Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her to sanctify her, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, and to present her to Himself as a glorious church, without stain or wrinkle or any such blemish, but holy and blameless.

In the same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. Indeed, no one ever hated his own body, but he nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church. For we are members of His body.

“For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”
This mystery is profound, but I am speaking about Christ and the church.
Nevertheless, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
(Sigh)... You just don't get it. I'll put it in elementary terms so that (hopefully) you can see your error.

A husband and wife are like two halves of a whole.

Jesus and His bride are, in the same way, like two halves of a whole.

Continuing with the "picture" of marriage, Jew and Gentile together are not like a husband and wife.

Rather, Jew and Gentile are like two halves of a half.

The correlation completely falls apart.

Again, your conclusion (Jesus and His bride [consisting of Jew and Gentile] shall not be separated) is valid, but your correlation is not valid.
 
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Dude, you ain't the Holy Spirit.
Of course not! But HE does speak thru me and all who love Him and the Word.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

there's that pesky 'whom' again
 
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(Sigh)... You just don't get it. I'll put it in elementary terms so that (hopefully) you can see your error.

A husband and wife are like two halves of a whole.

Jesus and His bride are, in the same way, like two halves of a whole.

Continuing with the "picture" of marriage, Jew and Gentile together are not like a husband and wife.

Rather, Jew and Gentile are like two halves of a half.

The correlation completely falls apart.

Again, your conclusion (Jesus and His bride [consisting of Jew and Gentile] shall not be separated) is valid, but your correlation is not valid.
Holy Spirit to Dino246,

OK then - the Bride of Christ is made up of TWO Halves = Jew & Gentile who are permanently JOINED into ONE BODY.

For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female;
for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Notice how Abraham has only ONE SEED.
 
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So, forgetting what is behind, the op, let us strain forward to what lies ahead

In this corner we have DavidTree who objects to what our poster in the other corner, Dino, says

Perhaps the op will decide to referee, if not, this could become a free for all scripture punting contest. Let us resolve to perhaps learn from either participant as they endeavor to compete with comprehension and possibly a slight amount of twisting to get a point across.

Winner takes all and touts superior biblical forum knowledge.
 

Dino246

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Of course not! But HE does speak thru me and all who love Him and the Word.

And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Do you think that I am unaware of these verses? Do you think that the Holy Spirit speaks through you to me, but not through me to you? Do you see how incredibly arrogant that is?
 
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Do you think that I am unaware of these verses? Do you think that the Holy Spirit speaks through you to me, but not through me to you? Do you see how incredibly arrogant that is?
YES, i do SEE that the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, therefore you may read the scriptures but still not SEE the Truth.

As religion goes so goes the arrogance, hate, and verbal assaults.
So, forgetting what is behind, the op, let us strain forward to what lies ahead

In this corner we have DavidTree who objects to what our poster in the other corner, Dino, says

Perhaps the op will decide to referee, if not, this could become a free for all scripture punting contest. Let us resolve to perhaps learn from either participant as they endeavor to compete with comprehension and possibly a slight amount of twisting to get a point across.

Winner takes all and touts superior biblical forum knowledge.
LOVED IT
 

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There is only ONE BODY of MESSIAH = Jew and Gentile
And that is why the use of "Messiah" in this context is not appropriate. It is better to speak of the Body the the Lord Jesus Christ or the Body of Christ. "Messiah" (Mashiach) is primarily for the Jews. "Christ" is for the whole world.

Yes the Bible says that:
1. All human beings are sinners in need of the Savior.
2. Christ died for the sins of the whole world.
3. The Lord Jesus Christ rose again from the dead after three days for our justification.
4. Sinners are justified by grace through faith plus nothing.
5. All may be saved if all will repent and believe on Him, and receive Him as Lord and Savior.
6. All those who are born again are children of God and baptized into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit.
7. Therefore there is only one Body, just as there is only one Spirit.
8. However the functions of the various parts of the Body are not all the same.
9. Those members which receive little honor must be seen as being just as important as those who receive much honor.
10. Every Christian has received at least one spiritual gift for the edification of the rest of the Body.
 
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I'm not going to respond to your posts if you persist in your blind arrogance.
You stated that you can read the Scripture but you then argue against it.
Is your understanding greater then that of Galatians, Ephesians and Romans???

What do you find so offensive in Christ having only One Body made from Two = Jew and Gentile?

The Holy Spirit only leads us into Truth.
HE does not tell us to argue against Truth but to embrace it and all who have the Truth.
And that is why the use of "Messiah" in this context is not appropriate. It is better to speak of the Body the the Lord Jesus Christ or the Body of Christ. "Messiah" (Mashiach) is primarily for the Jews. "Christ" is for the whole world.

Yes the Bible says that:
1. All human beings are sinners in need of the Savior.
2. Christ died for the sins of the whole world.
3. The Lord Jesus Christ rose again from the dead after three days for our justification.
4. Sinners are justified by grace through faith plus nothing.
5. All may be saved if all will repent and believe on Him, and receive Him as Lord and Savior.
6. All those who are born again are children of God and baptized into the Body of Christ by the Holy Spirit.
7. Therefore there is only one Body, just as there is only one Spirit.
8. However the functions of the various parts of the Body are not all the same.
9. Those members which receive little honor must be seen as being just as important as those who receive much honor.
10. Every Christian has received at least one spiritual gift for the edification of the rest of the Body.
Not appropriate for a Gentile to speak of Messiah???
That's antichrist to say such a thing.

OK, i get it now - if your a Gentile you can only say Jesus but if your a Jew you can say Yeshua HaMoshiach.

This type of erroneous thinking is exactly why the Holy Spirit gave to us Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Gospel of John, Revelation.