The Innocent, The Murderer, and The Inconclusive

The Innocent, The Murderer, and The Inconclusive

The scene is set with Jesus before Pilate as the crown chants to crucify Him.

Matthew 27:13-24
New International Version
13 Then Pilate asked him, “Don’t you hear the testimony they are bringing against you?” 14 But Jesus made no reply, not even to a single charge—to the great amazement of the governor.

15 Now it was the governor’s custom at the festival to release a prisoner chosen by the crowd. 16 At that time they had a well-known prisoner whose name was Jesus[a] Barabbas. 17 So when the crowd had gathered, Pilate asked them, “Which one do you want me to release to you: Jesus Barabbas, or Jesus who is called the Messiah?” 18 For he knew it was out of self-interest that they had handed Jesus over to him.

19 While Pilate was sitting on the judge’s seat, his wife sent him this message: “Don’t have anything to do with that innocent man, for I have suffered a great deal today in a dream because of him.”

20 But the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowd to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus executed.

21 “Which of the two do you want me to release to you?” asked the governor.

“Barabbas,” they answered.

22 “What shall I do, then, with Jesus who is called the Messiah?” Pilate asked.

They all answered, “Crucify him!”

23 “Why? What crime has he committed?” asked Pilate.

But they shouted all the louder, “Crucify him!”

24 When Pilate saw that he was getting nowhere, but that instead an uproar was starting, he took water and washed his hands in front of the crowd. “I am innocent of this man’s blood,” he said. “It is your responsibility!”



Jesus was innocent, the crowd chanted for death, and Pilate remained inconclusive as he tried to wash his hands of the matter.

Today we see a similar evil being portrayed with the children in the womb. An innocent child being made out to be a parasite, a problem, a killer of dreams versus the joy of life. The crowds of the mobocracy chant death.
Kill it!
Kill it!
Kill it!
The pro-choice crowd is inconclusive while falsely believing they are morally clean from such evil. There was a time in America when slavery divided the country. The churches led the abolitionist movement, but same as today, we had the inconclusive crowd that stayed silent due to the geopolitical and selfish reasons for holding onto slavery.

The country adapted to a slave-free society in the workforce or at least in public. The underground slave trade of women and children is still going on today.

The Churches are leading the way again, sounding the alarm on such immorality as elective abortions. What these innocent children go through in an abortion is torture.

“Suction aspiration, or "vacuum curettage," is the abortion technique used in the 1st trimester to rip apart the child and suction them up into a canister.

Another method is a chemical abortion where the mother takes the RU 486 pill that blocks the action of progesterone, and the developing baby starves to death.

The second-trimester surgical approach uses forceps with sharp metal jaws to grasp parts of the developing baby, which are then twisted and torn away.

Second and Third-trimester chemical method: A needle is inserted through the mother’s abdomen, and 50-250 ml (as much as a cup) of amniotic fluid is withdrawn and replaced with a solution of concentrated salt.

The baby breathes in, swallowing the salt, and is poisoned. The chemical solution also causes painful burning and deterioration of the baby’s skin. Usually, after about an hour, the child dies.”

https://www.nrlc.org/abortion/medicalfacts/techniques/

Psalm 106:37-38
New King James Version
37 They even sacrificed their sons
And their daughters to demons,
38 And shed innocent blood,
The blood of their sons and daughters,
Whom they sacrificed to the idols of Canaan;
And the land was polluted with blood.

Our land is polluted with the blood of innocence. The blood of our sons and daughters, 63,459,781 babies have been killed in abortions since Roe v. Wade in 1973. They were sacrificed to the idol of sexual freedom, and not only do they practice such horrors, but they also applaud others who do the same.

All the while, pro-life healthcare facilities and faith-based organizations are persecuted by the government and pro-abortion industries. But yet, they still fight to protect both the mother and infant from those who wish to profit from evil and those who want to escape the responsibility of raising a child.

In Christianity, the concept of cancel culture has no place to live within the beauty of repentance, grace, forgiveness, and love. Not only as a nation should we repent for the healing of our land, but every individual who has pushed abortion, been the victim of abortion, or has been inconclusive on the sidelines.

There is grace and forgiveness in Jesus Christ, who paid the debt for all our sins. All we must do is believe and accept Jesus Christ into our hearts. No sin is too great and distances too far for God's forgiveness.

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Please be kind. I’m a novice, and a Christian. I am also a mother. Without using scripture; because, I am truly ignorant of Christ’s teachings, I ask about the abortion that happens to save the mother’s life, or when rape has occurred, incest, a terminal illness for the child? Now, I am no stranger to God’s miracles and His mercy. But, I do feel there are some instances where a legal, medical termination may be best. To outlaw abortions won’t stop them. More women and children will be harmed. However, I want to make absolutely clear my standing on elective abortions. It is never okay to use this as a form of “birth control” or selfishness to one’s career. If you openly had sexual intercourse without protection and become with child, you best honor God’s gift of life. That’s my thought on it. Although, I truly am curious and want to learn the scripture for when a woman is raped. A child is raped. When a mother of 4, such as myself, who is the sole provider for our family of 6 and is presented with a life or death choice. Of course I’d lay down my life for my children. Absolutely. However, I am struck with guilt in a scenario where my tubes are tied, I am on birth control (for other reasons than pregnancy) and yet I become with child. On one hand I am delighted because this would truly be an act of God. But if there was a medical diagnosis that would end my life for my 4 children and husband, knowing I am the only provider for them, I don’t know what I’d do. Actually I do, I would either have the child in faith that God planted the child and has better things to come for family in my death, or I’d forever live with the guilt of choosing a child over another.

I talk on different platforms and many of them do not believe in God. So I often begin with secular data about abortions. Medical issues, rape, incest are 4% of abortions. 92% of abortions are had on healthy women having healthy babies. (Guttmacher)


They are not outlawing abortions, they are bringing it back for the states to decide. It may not stop them but it will slow them.

Over 60 million abortions since Roe, more that the population of Canada. We don't know how many women have died while having abortion because those stats don't have to be given. So there is the issue. Women are very much using abortion as birth control. That is heart breaking.


God will not take us where He can not lead us. My grandmother raised 5 boys on her own and they are all productive people today with families of their own.

Habakkuk 1:3-4

This is not the same as elected abortion. These are typically done when the child has 0% chance of living and in cases of a ectopic pregnancy can kill the mother.

Elected abortion is by majority the reasons people get abortion and it is simply due to the fact they do not want the child.

Kill the rapist but not a innocent child. It has been shown that abortion increases risk of depression and suicide. This is the last thing you want to put on a raped woman. (The guilt of murder). It has also been shown how when pregnant most women's brains decrease in gray matter and sex hormones are greatly increased to force a bond with the child. Cutting that off abruptly can cause great psychological harm.

Does the child deserve death? Two evils can never make a right and can never make someone feel better. There are support systems, therapy, and adoption.

This should be left up to God. That child can live for 10 minutes, 10 hours, 10 days, 10 years or in many testimonies can be healthy children.

Oh sure, but only in very defined situations, and medical emergencies where life or death is on the line. This is typically done where the doctors choose who will most likely live when made to choose who to help. They try to help both but sometimes you just have to choose who is more vital to life.

Actually, this isn't true. Once legalized, abortion increased dramatically and so did the harm of women and children.

Typically the make something illegal does slow it down because most people do not want a murder charge.

I agree. As Kayla mentioned the statistics show this is the 96% reason for abortion.

Amen.

Rape is in the scriptures and carried very bad side affects for those involved.

You see God allowing death to occur on children of Israel's enemies or an old leviticus ritual where if the mother was unfaithful she would be forced to drink a drink mixed with temple dust and if she was indeed unfaithful, it would cause the child to die.

But again, this was God who made the dust and water act in a supernatural way. There is also no record of this test being done. So either it wasn't recorded or it was good incentive to get people to be honest.

This is the trademark of a good mother.

This is me now transitioning from facts to ministering. I can see you are a great mother and have a big heart. I already know you couldn't live with the idea killing the child inside.

I know you mean in part that if the child is causing you to die and again this isn't considered elective that is a emergency situation that can only be determined by patient consensus and a doctor who under the oath is to hold all life as sacred. Every effort should be done to save both lives but obviously if the child is too tiny to survive without the womb and the something is killing the mother then the doctor should make the best decision and the mother then decides or father if she is unconscious and has rights over her medical care.

I have had similar thoughts in the past related to dying as the sole provider for 6 people. There is peace in our faith that God will take care of those we leave behind. But we often could never calculate the support they would have if actually left in that situation. Especially from federal, state and none profit support from the private sector.

God has a lot to say about innocent life and we must protect it at all cost.

@Roughsoul1991 What do you mean by “..protect innocent life at all costs”?

Also, are we, as the church, supposed to supersede the will of those who choose evil?

Meaning we defend them by law, by advocating or in emergency we step in to defend like parents did in the Texas shooting.

Yes, we stand against evil anywhere possible and anyway we can. Not much of a church if we didn't.

What would this look like in practice?

And by "evil anywhere" you mean "in the world"?

And finally, to what end? What is the goal of standing against evil anywhere possible and anyway [the church] can?

One last thought: How do you understand: "For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

Government was designed by God to do good against wrongdoers.

Romans 13:4 ESV
For he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

For the individual we have some examples below,

Proverbs 24:11-12 ESV
Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, “Behold, we did not know this,” does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it, and will he not repay man according to his work?

Isaiah 1:17 ESV
Learn to do good; seek justice, correct oppression; bring justice to the fatherless, plead the widow's cause.

Matthew 18:14 ESV
So it is not the will of my Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish.

So in practice for the government it would be a just war, a judicial system, laws that fight crime, or law enforcement (police or military).

Evil no matter where. This can be done by war, by treaties, by politics, by sanctions, by humanitarian aid, missionaries, private companies or nonprofit organizations, etc.

Standing against evil gives more people the opportunity to hear the gospel. Standing against evil could stop a cultural trend like the lone monk who stopped gladiator fights. Or like the Richard Wurmbrand despite the Russian communist soldiers chose to continue to preach and distribute Bibles that led to his imprisonment for years of torture, many came to Christ. Historical figures like William Wallace the Christian hero of Scotland. Or recently Jack Wilson, a security team member at West Freeway Church of Christ in Texas, shot and killed an armed drifter who killed two church members.

The scripture you posted was referring to church order and protecting the holiness of the church. If people continue in evil then put them out the church and let God deal with them.

The Left always has a false narrative in order to promote evil. Everything about abortions and the abortion industry has been based upon lies. But the RINOs have gone along with the lies and encouraged the funding of the abortion industry. Is abortion murder? Infanticide? Absolutely. And that should be the honest starting point on any discussion.

So, in the examples you gave: when men were killed by other men, that was the will of God because those who died were evil?

And how do you understand this verse in Revelation: ”He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

And, regarding the verse I posted, here is more of the passage:

9 I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10 Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
12 For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13 But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

You can see, Paul is not writing about church discipline but about the saints’ position toward people in the world. In summary: if we cannot associate with people who are evil then it would be impossible to live in the world. Furthermore, judgement for those in the world is not a function of the church. Rather, if one calls himself a brother but practices evil, the church is to put him out.