Do you believe in (OSAS) Once Saved, Always Saved?

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Ephesians 2:8
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 11:29
For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.
 
p_rehbein

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No. However, I do believe in Once Sanctified, Always Sanctified.
 
Aerials1978

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Chester said:
Our salvation is not based on our works. Thus we do not "weave in and out of" salvation bases on our actions or thoughts. Not even close!!!!!! Salvation is always based simply and factually on this: Are you believing in Jesus Christ?
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I don’t think you’re reading the entire conversation I’m having with this particular individual.
 
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Beckie said:
Got questions is not any more an authority than any one here .
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After posting to long ago to edit ... Got Questions has better knowledge then some who post here or any where.
 
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Beckie said:
Got questions is not any more an authority than any one here .
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Fully agree and I have looked to see what they say. I like them because they try to back up what they say by the word of God.
 
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Aerials1978 said:
So, would it be possible that an individual weaves in and out of Gods salvation based on any transgression committed and the amount of repentance they have? I mean we sin almost daily whether through actions or thoughts.
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*almost daily* ??

IMO we sin just about every minute. probably it's a matter of seconds.
to my understanding, everything that falls short of the glory of God is missing the mark.

every single thought i have that isn't worthy of being uttered aloud in His throne room, is sin to me.
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holy, holy, holy!​
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if God does not forgive sin, there is no salvation whatsoever for mankind.
none of us would last an hour, apart from Him working in us and atoning for us in heaven
 
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Beckie said:
After posting to long ago to edit ... Got Questions has better knowledge then some who post here or any where.
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i agree with your stance --

they are not unuseful, but they are not without lack of understanding.
 
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XavierJesusLovesIndia said:
Do you believe in Once Saved, Always Saved?
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i believe this 'OSAS' thing is a false characterization that denies the power of God.
therefore i hate the term, and will not use it, and am only using it now in response to the OP.

salvation is a supernatural work of God in a person. people who argue against "OSAS" do so in such a way that they treat fake, powerless, coerced emotional responses as though it is actual salvation, and then bemoan how such people fall away from faith, as though it is proof.

but real salvation is the work of God, and God does not fail. He is the Good Shepherd Who does not lose a single one of His sheep.

the problem is that people presume certain goats are indeed sheep, when they are in reality indeed not.

if a person God saves somehow fails to be saved, the fault is God's, because God is the One doing the saving. salvation is not at all our doing; it is a the gift of God. anything else and grace is no longer grace.
God is the One who works in His children both to will and to work. God is the One who changes a person - a leopard cannot change its spots; they must be changed for him.

GOD DOES NOT FAIL.
 
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PennEd said:
No one recorded in Scripture received the Holy Spirit (sealed by Him), and the Holy Spirit left them.

After conversion, we can grieve the Holy Spirit, but He will not leave us. In fact, the Bible says we are SEALED with the Holy Spirit.
The same word is used in Revelation by John, as he wept convulsively, because NO ONE could break the seals of the scroll. ONLY Jesus can break the seal.

A whole host of bad things can happen to the persistently disobedient child of God, that grieves the Holy Spirit. But one of them, is NOT the removal of the Holy Spirit.

The Holy Spirit CAME UPON Old Testament people, but not until Jesus' death and resurrection were people able to become born again and sealed with the Holy Spirit, as a GUARANTEE of eternity with Christ.

Samson is a good example of the H.S. coming upon, leaving, and then coming back at the end of his life, when his prayer was answered to give him super strength one last time.
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Then why does scriptures say...pray that the Holy Spirit never leaves you.....
 
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Nehemiah6 said:
No evildoers will be raptured "first". Or at any time.
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THe bible is very clear. the TAREs will be removed first. so if you look around one day and see many people missing. those are the TAREs gone. the next thing is CHRIST returning for his 1000yrs reign. Then the battle with the DEvil, then the New Earth and new Heavens

How it all happens is still to be seen.
 
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Just as you freely accepted Jesus in your life you can also freely choose to stop serving him. Jesus said with his own mouth; (Matt. 24:13) But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. That is until the end of your life, or until the Second Coming of the Lord. People are being taught that once you are quote “saved” that you can never fall to the spiritually lost condition. This is not true and totally unbiblical; this teaching is a damnable heresy brought in by man. To teach someone that all they have to do is believe on Christ and you are saved is a doctrine of the devil. Many who teach eternal security teach that once a man is saved no matter how wicked he becomes he is still saved. Thus the teaching “once saved always saved”.
Then you asked them what are you saved from? Or how did you obtain your salvation? And most cannot answer these questions. Some even say that sense I have been “saved” I am living a sinless life.

Now let's read in (1John:1:10) If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us. According to bible you can’t be living a sinless life, because if you make such a statement, you just lied.

Paul said in (1 Cor. 15:1-2) (v.1) MOREOVER, brethren, I declare unto the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; (v.2) By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. Paul is telling you right here that you are saved by the gospel that he preached unto you if you keep it in memory. So what happens if you don’t keep it in memory? Then you have believed in vain you have believed for nothing that’s what vain means.
 
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OSAS is absolute after God judges and grants eternal salvation.
There is no such thing before while on this earth.

Be guided by scriptures:


1. John 15: "2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit ... 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

Seems to be echoed in Romans 11:22: "22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

2. Heb 6:4-6:
"4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

3. 2 Pet 2:20-22:

"20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire."

These verses very clearly seem to teach that Justification!=(not equal to)Salvation. Initial Justification+Final Perseverance = Full Salvation. Thoughts?

God Bless,
Xavier.

The KJV Bible........proves the proper biblical interpretation of.......saved;

MATTHEW 24:13 KJV "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
( endure ...maintains...keeps...sustains ....not perseveres as new age religion changed it)

OSAS while on the earth is wrong doctrine. We are .......born again......... here and must endure/maintain that......... until the end.

.....It is appointed unto man once to die...then the judgement.
 
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.....timed out.....

While on earth and after repentance, baptism and righteous living we are referred to in scriptures as....born again.
 
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peldom10 said:
OSAS is absolute after God judges and grants eternal salvation.
There is no such thing before while on this earth.

Be guided by scriptures:


1. John 15: "2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit ... 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned."

Seems to be echoed in Romans 11:22: "22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

2. Heb 6:4-6:
"4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame."

3. 2 Pet 2:20-22:

"20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning.

21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

22 But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire."

These verses very clearly seem to teach that Justification!=(not equal to)Salvation. Initial Justification+Final Perseverance = Full Salvation. Thoughts?

God Bless,
Xavier.

The KJV Bible........proves the proper biblical interpretation of.......saved;

MATTHEW 24:13 KJV "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
( endure ...maintains...keeps...sustains ....not perseveres as new age religion changed it)

OSAS while on the earth is wrong doctrine. We are .......born again......... here and must endure/maintain that......... until the end.

.....It is appointed unto man once to die...then the judgement.
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Absolutely correct when you assert, "
OSAS while on the earth is wrong doctrine. We are .......born again......... here and must endure/maintain that......... until the end.

.....It is appointed unto man once to die...then the judgement. "

Jesus will judge us, make no mistake about that. Until Jesus judges us we are not saved or damned. After Jesus judges us, after our deaths on earth, then and only then, are we saved or damned for all eternity. No one alive on earth is saved. We all have the choice of leaving Jesus and His Gospel, love, and salvation any time we choose to. And many 'one time Christians' have chosen to leave Jesus during their lifetime.
 
PennEd

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It doesn’t.
I’m assuming you’re talking about Psalm 51, however,
Even King David was not born again until Jesus’ victory at the cross.

The Holy Spirit Seals the born again believer now.

Where in the NT are we told to pray that the Holy Spirit not unseal Himself?
 
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