Water baptism is necessary to be in the first resurrection
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Yes...To work out what God has put in us...And not to be so sure of ourselves thinking we know it all...We , all of us should tremble when speaking God's word , and not teaching that our Salvation can be lost , when the bible clearly teaches that it can not...That is disrespecting the gift from God , our Lord and Savior...Gods promises are true , and He keeps us and is the Anchor of our souls...
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“John baptized Jews with water. Jews were very familiar with the practice of the Mikvah, the cleansing bath,water.”
This is the conversion of the Gentiles
“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God.
Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
Acts 10:44-48
peters first thought was they needed to get baptized in water for remission of sins they had received the Holy Ghost like the Jews at pentocost speaking also
In tongues just like what happened to Jews
water is for repentance and remission of sins in Jesus name the Holy Ghost is God sending the spirit into our heart because we hear and believe the gospel. Gentile and Jew were water baptized before Jesus died and after he died for the same purpose
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Acts 2:38 KJV
“Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
Romans 6:3-6, 11
that isnt talking about receiving the spirit from heaven , it’s talking about being buried with Jesus who died for sin , and raised up again like his resurrection to live a new life through faith. being baptized believing the gospel.
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power: in whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ: buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.”
Colossians 2:9-12 KJV
We don't labor ,work, to keep what Jesus died to fP
Many are out to scripture,They use scripture to befuddle and confuse.
And in large part it can be because of their denominational or church loyalty.
For instance, the udea that the sacraments invluding baptism, are a mandate to secure Salvation wasn't a teaching of Chtist. We know this and especially due to Jesus promise to the thief on the cross .
However, the Roman Catholic church interpolated the conditional salvific dictrine into their teachings because sacraments were a conduit for profit for the church.
Mammon's sin.
Purgatory was another false teaching, money maker as well.
Something to keep in mind when we read doctgines adding to Jesus teachings, contrary to them especially, enter into any discussion.
Jesus saves. Man does not .
And in large part it can be because of their denominational or church loyalty.
For instance, the udea that the sacraments invluding baptism, are a mandate to secure Salvation wasn't a teaching of Chtist. We know this and especially due to Jesus promise to the thief on the cross .
However, the Roman Catholic church interpolated the conditional salvific dictrine into their teachings because sacraments were a conduit for profit for the church.
Mammon's sin.
Purgatory was another false teaching, money maker as well.
Something to keep in mind when we read doctgines adding to Jesus teachings, contrary to them especially, enter into any discussion.
Jesus saves. Man does not .
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The thief on the cross could have been a backslider or Christ extended special dispensation...He can do that as He wishes,,,,the Bible does not tell us. In any event your advocacy is wrong and not bible supported.
Your question applies to repentance also.......why didn't you include that in your non biblical point about baptism?
I can assure you based on God's commandments...Hell has many who were not baptized.
Can you imagine when you are told to not look back and if so you would pay the ultimate physical price?
The pillar of salt is evidence that it happened.
For information that pillar of salt was Lot's wife...who was told not to look back at the burning city called Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot escape punishment because He followed God's commandments and did not look back at the burning city.
Can you imagined amount of water over all the earth of the world ........drowning all except Noah and His family? It is recorded as happened, etc.
Your point is?
The Bible's point is;
Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
The thief on the cross could have been a backslider or Christ extended special dispensation...He can do that as He wishes,,,,the Bible does not tell us. In any event your advocacy is wrong and not bible supported.
Your question applies to repentance also.......why didn't you include that in your non biblical point about baptism?
I can assure you based on God's commandments...Hell has many who were not baptized.
Can you imagine when you are told to not look back and if so you would pay the ultimate physical price?
The pillar of salt is evidence that it happened.
For information that pillar of salt was Lot's wife...who was told not to look back at the burning city called Sodom and Gomorrah. Lot escape punishment because He followed God's commandments and did not look back at the burning city.
Can you imagined amount of water over all the earth of the world ........drowning all except Noah and His family? It is recorded as happened, etc.
Your point is?
The Bible's point is;
Baptism is Required
Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...
John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.
KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.
Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.
John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth
.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.
Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.
Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.
Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.
Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).
Your post did not address the scripture referenced. And I wondered how anyone could refute Paul's teaching. Evidently you don't wish to address the actual scripture and of course that is your prerogative.
"To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons," by the Apostle Paul..."
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." (Phil 1:1, 2:12)
"To all God’s holy people in Christ Jesus at Philippi, together with the overseers and deacons," by the Apostle Paul..."
Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. 13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." (Phil 1:1, 2:12)
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Nonsense. Else the thief is condemned.
Jesus baptized no one.
His teaching, unless one is born of water and the spirit, is not a reference to baptism. Had it been Jesus would have used the word.
908. baptisma ►
He did use however used the Greek word for water.
https://biblehub.com/greek/5204.htm
5204. hudór ►
See the Greek word for water here in John 3.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3:5&version=MOUNCE
The Life of Jesus in Chronological Order
https://www.bible-researcher.com/endmark.html
Mark 16:9-20 Mark 16:9-20 has been called a later addition to the Gospel of Mark by most New Testament scholars in the past century. The main reason for doubting the authenticity of the ending is that it does not appear in some of the oldest existing witnesses, and it is reported to be absent from many others in ancient times by early writers of the Church. Moreover, the ending has some stylistic features which also suggest that it came from another hand. The Gospel is obviously incomplete without these verses, and so most scholars believe that the final leaf of the original manuscript was lost, and that the ending which appears in English versions today (verses 9-20) was supplied during the second century.
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Jesus baptized no one.
His teaching, unless one is born of water and the spirit, is not a reference to baptism. Had it been Jesus would have used the word.
908. baptisma ►
Strong's Concordance
baptisma: (the result of) a dipping or sinkingOriginal Word: βάπτισμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: baptisma
Phonetic Spelling: (bap'-tis-mah)
Definition: (the result of) a dipping or sinking
Usage: the rite or ceremony of baptism.
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: baptisma
Phonetic Spelling: (bap'-tis-mah)
Definition: (the result of) a dipping or sinking
Usage: the rite or ceremony of baptism.
He did use however used the Greek word for water.
https://biblehub.com/greek/5204.htm
5204. hudór ►
Strong's Concordance
hudór: waterOriginal Word: ὕδωρ, ὕδατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: hudór
Phonetic Spelling: (hoo'-dore)
Definition: water
Usage: water.
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: hudór
Phonetic Spelling: (hoo'-dore)
Definition: water
Usage: water.
See the Greek word for water here in John 3.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3:5&version=MOUNCE
The Life of Jesus in Chronological Order
https://www.bible-researcher.com/endmark.html
Mark 16:9-20 Mark 16:9-20 has been called a later addition to the Gospel of Mark by most New Testament scholars in the past century. The main reason for doubting the authenticity of the ending is that it does not appear in some of the oldest existing witnesses, and it is reported to be absent from many others in ancient times by early writers of the Church. Moreover, the ending has some stylistic features which also suggest that it came from another hand. The Gospel is obviously incomplete without these verses, and so most scholars believe that the final leaf of the original manuscript was lost, and that the ending which appears in English versions today (verses 9-20) was supplied during the second century.
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What a reckless comment!! The Bible tells us very clearly who will be condemned (in hell).
John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
The sole key for who WILL BE condemned (go to hell) are those who have not believed.
Where do you find any mention of water baptism here? You don't. Your claims are unbiblical.
John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
The sole key for who WILL BE condemned (go to hell) are those who have not believed.
Where do you find any mention of water baptism here? You don't. Your claims are unbiblical.
Good verse; let's examine it.
Rev 3:20 - Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
Many believers have been erroneously taught to believe that this verse is about salvation, and has led to the unbiblical idea of "inviting Christ into your heart". No where in the Bible is salvation presented as inviting Christ into one's heart.
The heart is "desperately wicked", per Isa 64:6. How would inviting Jesus into your sewer result in salvation?
Rather, this verse was written to the church at Laodicea:
14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
So we see in the CONTEXT that this church was out of fellowship with the Lord.
So v.20 is about HOW TO restore fellowship with the Lord. When Jesus said "I will come in to him and sup with him" He was referring to fellowship. Not salvation. Obviously.
Sad how this verse has been so abused.
Rev 3:20 - Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
Many believers have been erroneously taught to believe that this verse is about salvation, and has led to the unbiblical idea of "inviting Christ into your heart". No where in the Bible is salvation presented as inviting Christ into one's heart.
The heart is "desperately wicked", per Isa 64:6. How would inviting Jesus into your sewer result in salvation?
Rather, this verse was written to the church at Laodicea:
14 “To the angel of the church in Laodicea write: These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God’s creation.
15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other!
So we see in the CONTEXT that this church was out of fellowship with the Lord.
So v.20 is about HOW TO restore fellowship with the Lord. When Jesus said "I will come in to him and sup with him" He was referring to fellowship. Not salvation. Obviously.
Sad how this verse has been so abused.
FreeGrace2 said:
What a reckless comment!! The Bible tells us very clearly who will be condemned (in hell).
John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
The sole key for who WILL BE condemned (go to hell) are those who have not believed.
Where do you find any mention of water baptism here? You don't. Your claims are unbiblical.
Really? Then please, I beg you, show me my error in my post above. Address each verse and prove they don't refute your comment about condemnation.
If your views are "sound Bible doctrine" and mine are "unsound", then it should be EASY to refute me and show me my errors.
This is really pathetic. I've refuted YOU with the Bible. And you come up with this tripe.
Actually, Scripture refutes you and your notions.
I don't care whether you reply or not. I know WHY you don't, because you CAN'T defend yourself or refute my points.
iow, you DON'T have the truth. Those who have the truth can EASILY refute false teachings.
But you can bet that I WILL continue to respond to your posts, for the benefit of those who only read the threads, but never post.
I will defend the truth against your unbiblical ideas, which are
.
What a reckless comment!! The Bible tells us very clearly who will be condemned (in hell).
John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
The sole key for who WILL BE condemned (go to hell) are those who have not believed.
Where do you find any mention of water baptism here? You don't. Your claims are unbiblical.
Really? Then please, I beg you, show me my error in my post above. Address each verse and prove they don't refute your comment about condemnation.
If your views are "sound Bible doctrine" and mine are "unsound", then it should be EASY to refute me and show me my errors.
This is really pathetic. I've refuted YOU with the Bible. And you come up with this tripe.
Actually, Scripture refutes you and your notions.
I don't care whether you reply or not. I know WHY you don't, because you CAN'T defend yourself or refute my points.
iow, you DON'T have the truth. Those who have the truth can EASILY refute false teachings.
But you can bet that I WILL continue to respond to your posts, for the benefit of those who only read the threads, but never post.
I will defend the truth against your unbiblical ideas, which are
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FreeGrace2 said:
What a reckless comment!! The Bible tells us very clearly who will be condemned (in hell).
John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
The sole key for who WILL BE condemned (go to hell) are those who have not believed.
Where do you find any mention of water baptism here? You don't. Your claims are unbiblical.
Really? Then please, I beg you, show me my error in my post above. Address each verse and prove they don't refute your comment about condemnation.
If your views are "sound Bible doctrine" and mine are "unsound", then it should be EASY to refute me and show me my errors.
This is really pathetic. I've refuted YOU with the Bible. And you come up with this tripe.
Actually, Scripture refutes you and your notions.
I don't care whether you reply or not. I know WHY you don't, because you CAN'T defend yourself or refute my points.
iow, you DON'T have the truth. Those who have the truth can EASILY refute false teachings.
But you can bet that I WILL continue to respond to your posts, for the benefit of those who only read the threads, but never post.
I will defend the truth against your unbiblical ideas, which are.
What a reckless comment!! The Bible tells us very clearly who will be condemned (in hell).
John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
The sole key for who WILL BE condemned (go to hell) are those who have not believed.
Where do you find any mention of water baptism here? You don't. Your claims are unbiblical.
Really? Then please, I beg you, show me my error in my post above. Address each verse and prove they don't refute your comment about condemnation.
If your views are "sound Bible doctrine" and mine are "unsound", then it should be EASY to refute me and show me my errors.
This is really pathetic. I've refuted YOU with the Bible. And you come up with this tripe.
Actually, Scripture refutes you and your notions.
I don't care whether you reply or not. I know WHY you don't, because you CAN'T defend yourself or refute my points.
iow, you DON'T have the truth. Those who have the truth can EASILY refute false teachings.
But you can bet that I WILL continue to respond to your posts, for the benefit of those who only read the threads, but never post.
I will defend the truth against your unbiblical ideas, which are
.
FreeGrace2 said:
What a reckless comment!! The Bible tells us very clearly who will be condemned (in hell).
John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
The sole key for who WILL BE condemned (go to hell) are those who have not believed.
Where do you find any mention of water baptism here? You don't. Your claims are unbiblical.
Really? Then please, I beg you, show me my error in my post above. Address each verse and prove they don't refute your comment about condemnation.
If your views are "sound Bible doctrine" and mine are "unsound", then it should be EASY to refute me and show me my errors.
This is really pathetic. I've refuted YOU with the Bible. And you come up with this tripe.
Actually, Scripture refutes you and your notions.
I don't care whether you reply or not. I know WHY you don't, because you CAN'T defend yourself or refute my points.
iow, you DON'T have the truth. Those who have the truth can EASILY refute false teachings.
But you can bet that I WILL continue to respond to your posts, for the benefit of those who only read the threads, but never post.
I will defend the truth against your unbiblical ideas, which are.
What a reckless comment!! The Bible tells us very clearly who will be condemned (in hell).
John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.
The sole key for who WILL BE condemned (go to hell) are those who have not believed.
Where do you find any mention of water baptism here? You don't. Your claims are unbiblical.
Really? Then please, I beg you, show me my error in my post above. Address each verse and prove they don't refute your comment about condemnation.
If your views are "sound Bible doctrine" and mine are "unsound", then it should be EASY to refute me and show me my errors.
This is really pathetic. I've refuted YOU with the Bible. And you come up with this tripe.
Actually, Scripture refutes you and your notions.
I don't care whether you reply or not. I know WHY you don't, because you CAN'T defend yourself or refute my points.
iow, you DON'T have the truth. Those who have the truth can EASILY refute false teachings.
But you can bet that I WILL continue to respond to your posts, for the benefit of those who only read the threads, but never post.
I will defend the truth against your unbiblical ideas, which are
.