Baptism by water

common sense has nothing to do with it

why does this verse not say something like 'he that is not baptized is dammed '"?

“You have said water baptism is necessary for the remission of sins aside from having faith.”

no I have said water baptism was established in the gospel by God for remission of sins and faith is why we do it , it’s an act of faith is my position we believe and so we get baptized again clearly I didn’t write those scriptures I’m just sharing that the exist with you and agreeing with what they say.

“If one's sins are not remitted due to not being dunked, how could they be saved?”

again this is not what I’ve said I’ve said that God established baptism for remission of sins in water , and I accept that as the right form of baptism.

I’ve also shown you many scriptures showing that baptism for remission was done just before Jesus came , during his ministry and after his resurrection. I’ve also shared the great commission when he tells them “ go baptize all
Nations in my name “ and “ preach the gospel whoever believes and is baptized shall be saved “

you keep attributing these sayings to me , it’s scripture for instance Jesus said this

“And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭16:15-16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those are the words of the Risen lord Jesus , and again

“Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19-20‬ ‭

those aren’t my own inventions I’m just saying it’s true and relevant because that’s what Jesus said or another example this is the apostle peters words just after he received the Holy Ghost at pentocost

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-39‬ ‭KJV‬‬

again this is just when the church was forming bekng filled with the Holy Ghost and heres Peter saying “ repent and be baptized “

Much later as the church is spreading to non Jewish people

“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter,

…and Peter answered , Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:44-45, 47-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Why do you suppose the apostle Peter is still commanding water baptism didn’t he understand it the right way ? It’s the first reaction of Peter “ can anyone stop these Gentiles from getting baptized in water wrong they have received the holy spirit like we did ? “


And then with no objections from The Jews and Peter commanded they be baptized in the name of Jesus just like Jesus had told him to do. Just like the Jews were baptized beforehand .

The gospel is the same for us as them we get baptized in water because that’s what God established as his promise of remission of sins if we hear and believe it to do it is faith.

to simplify your arguing with the scriptures I’m sharing with you and what they are saying not with me baptism is a basic doctrine but when we argue about it like this lol the act of faith becomes mute

baptism needs to be hearing what baptism is for and believing it and then making the decision to do it. It’s just a simple act of faith that again I didn’t create this God sentnjohn to establish baptism to prepare someone for Jesus and the gospel. It’s Gods design for the church not in any way is it mine it’s just what the scripture says the early biblical church did because they believed that it was about what they preached

The arguing between Christians about such basic stuff like baptism kills the faith it’s meant to create to learn together it kills this effect of hearing , believing and acting in that belief . Which is faith watch how thy eve folk respond regarding baptism for remission and subsequent promise of the Holy Ghost from Jesus( same thing John beforehand and Jesus during both preached water and spirit now Peter is preaching after )

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,

and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call. And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38-41‬ ‭KJV‬‬


when we always debate how things the Bible clearly teaches don’t apply or mean what it says they mean it kills the operation of faith for us we should learn and believe and start acting and believing in those things we learn, we often explain away what we don’t already know because we just find it hard to change a view.

So to avoid the arguing about baptism again lol I’m gonna let you have the last response and just wait for the next beautiful panel you create haha God bless sister

I agree it says believe and be baptized and be saved

that’s what a believer hears and gladly responds to that belief and is blessed because of it.

it doesn’t say here or anywhere else in scriptire “ if you believe the gospel and aren’t baptized you are damned or lost “

I totally agree there’s no scripture saying “ believers “ who don’t get baptized are lost

but if we hear about baptism , why would we just believe what he said about baptism for remission of sins and get baptized given that it’s the lord saying it?

start at post 2,

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It is emphasized that the purpose of immersion is not physical, but spiritual, cleanliness. Maimonides concludes his codification of the laws of the mikveh with the following statement: It is plain that the laws about immersion as a means of freeing oneself from uncleanness are decrees laid down by Scripture and not matters about which human understanding is capable of forming a judgment; for behold, they are included among the divine statutes. Now 'uncleanness' is not mud or filth which water can remove, but is a matter of scriptural decree and dependent on the intention of the heart. Therefore the Sages have said, 'If a man immerses himself, but without special intention, it is as though he has not immersed himself at all.'
Nevertheless we may find some indication [for the moral basis] of this: Just as one who sets his heart on becoming clean becomes clean as soon as he has immersed himself, although nothing new has befallen his body, so, too, one who sets his heart on cleansing himself from the uncleannesses that beset men's souls – namely, wrongful thoughts and false convictions – becomes clean as soon as he consents in his heart to shun those counsels and brings his soul into the waters of pure reason. Behold, Scriptures say, 'And I will sprinkle clean water upon you and ye shall be clean; from all your uncleannesses and from all your idols will I cleanse you [Ezek. 36: 25]' (Yad, Mikva'ot 11:12)."



https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/mikveh

The same Jewish people who believe a Mikvah can cleanse you spiritually are the same people who crucified their Messiah and reject Him to this day.
This i know first hand.

The Scripture is Truth. The water that God sprinkles us with is Spirit and Life and never touches the flesh and i also know this Right Hand.

What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before?
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing.
The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
But there are some of you who do not believe.”

John 3:18 - He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who (is not water baptized? - NO) does not believe is condemned already, because he has not (been water baptized? - NO) because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

This passage has been greatly abused to teach that water saves us. And since Noah and his family are prominent just ask yourself a simple question: Did the flood save Noah and his family or did the Ark save them (along with the animals)? Obviously it was the Ark (a type of Christ). Which means that water as mentioned here should be properly interpreted. So what does the passage really teach?

19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; 20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. 21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us, not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God, by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

This passage is not easy to interpret, but Peter was certainly not teaching that the Flood saved Noah. So
the emphasis should be on the resurrection of Christ and its connection to water baptism. The Bible says that (a) Christ was raised for our justification and (b) those who believe that Christ was raised from the dead are saved (Rom 10:9). Those who repent and believe are saved, and must be baptized immediately. And water baptism is symbolic of the death, burial, and resurrection with Christ. So it is the "answer of a good conscience" in that one has not only repented but obeyed Christ is baptism. It is the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ which saves, and it is Christ Himself who saves.

Although the Ark was immersed in water, it floated. Although the believer is buried in water, he or she is raised to walk in newness of life.

Ask God.
It is His word as He wishes it to be given to us as a road map to get from this physical life to our spiritual life and eternal salvation.
There is no...three ways...the right or the left. No baptism is left and denotes a failed response to His commandments.

Baptism is Required :



Peter 3: 21.... whereunto even baptism doth also now save us...

John 3:5 .......Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.


Acts 2;38-....Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Acts 22;16... And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.


Galations 3:26...... For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

KJV Marrk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

KJV Matthew 3:14... But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me? 15. Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now, for thus it becometh us to fulfil all rightesousness. Then He suffered Him.

KJV Matthew 28:19..... Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:.

Acts 8:12-18: But when they believed Philip as he preached the things concerning the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, both men and women were baptized.

John 3; 22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.

Quote from Billy Graham that is note worthy;
....Also, to clarify I did not say remission of sin takes place at repentance. Scripture makes it clear that it occurs upon obedience to water baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus. Each is a step of faith, along with receiving the Holy Ghost, in the process of one's spiritual rebirth

.."Paul explains the doctrinal significance of what occurs when one is baptized.His explanation is found in his letter to those who had already been obedient to the command.

Paul tells the Roman Christians what actually occurred when they were/are baptized; they were baptized into His death. Being buried with Jesus into His death resulted in their sin being destroyed.

Even though Paul explains this concept, the NEW AGE RELIGION TEACHING is......... that water baptism is nothing other than a mere public display.......... And that is so far removed from the truth.

Keep in mind that Satan knows if he can continue to perpetuate that lie ...... he can keep people from entering the kingdom of God. Thus He has proven scripture which says ...in the end times there will be ...great delusions.....they are here.

Conclusion....teaching that baptism is not necessary is violation of Rev. 22;19.... And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. (Also two other books of the Bible).


Does Mark 16;16 work for you?

LOL....Noah was flooded....not baptized under the OT. Neither was the 8 members of the family. So what is your point?
It is very clear ......for those of us who wish to follow God's commandments.

This scripture is the reason why I wonder... Did the ritual tradition become "law"?
In order for the Jews to accept the Gentiles, did they have to be "baptized" according to Jewish "Law"? If so, how did the "law" originate? If the Gentiles already proved that they received the Spirit, then what was the point of baptism by water?

I testify to everyone hearing the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone should
add to these things, God will add unto him the plagues having been written in this book.
Revelation 22:18



If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart
that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. Romans 10:9

What does that question have to do with Christ being baptized?

Nothing. Everything.

Do you believe Jesus truly needed to be baptized in His own name?

The Greek word baptizo means immersed. So the Ark was "baptized" or immersed in water all the time that it rained. But since it floated, he was "saved" by water. Had there been no water, the Ark would have been useless. But before he was "saved" by water Noah was justified by grace through faith, by believing God, and became a "preacher of righteousness". Evidently his whole family was deemed to be righteous, even though later there was one son who did evil.

One member said recently:

... if Jesus Christ was NOT born again by water and Spirit, then how
was He going to fulfill being the First Born of many brethren?

Which quite frankly on the face of it looks like a denial of Jesus's divinity, which I know this person
does not do, and yet... people do not seem to think through the things they say/believe.

As a baby, Jesus Christ was born physically as the Son of God but, possibly at the
Jordan River Jesus Christ was born spiritually as the Son of God by water and Spirit....

Click to expand...

The question shouldn't be if baptism is "necessary", or "required"; but rather, is water baptism "in order to receive" or "because of" remission of sins? . Is your obedience in order to receive your salvation or because of your salvation?

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord
Does that sound to anybody like he is saying "your sins will be blotted out when you are refreshed under the water"?

Gosh, I recognize Scripture, you know.

I doubt I attributed Scripture to you. Really!

It is the inescapable conclusion you draw that I attribute to you.

Matthew 3;
The Baptism of Jesus
13Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to John, to be baptized by him. 14John would have prevented him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?” 15But Jesus answered him, “Let it be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness.” Then he consented. 16And when Jesus was baptized, immediately he went up from the water, and behold, the heavens were opened to him,c and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and coming to rest on him; 17and behold, a voice from heaven said, “This is my beloved Son,d with whom I am well pleased.”

However...

Luke 2;
41Now his parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. 42And when he was twelve years old, they went up according to custom......
46After three days they found him in the temple, sitting among the teachers, listening to them and asking them questions. 47And all who heard him were amazed at his understanding and his answers. 48And when his parents g saw him, they were astonished. And his mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been searching for you in great distress.” 49And he said to them, “Why were you looking for me? Did you not know that I must be in my Father’s house?”h 50And they did not understand the saying that he spoke to them. 51And he went down with them and came to Nazareth and was submissive to them. And his mother treasured up all these things in her heart.
52And Jesus increased in wisdom and in staturei and in favor with God and man.

Perhaps Christ's baptism was the fulfillment of prophecy, and acceptance of His true ministry; His true purpose...

Matthew 3;
11“I baptize you with water for repentance, but he who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.