CAN YOU WALK AWAY FROM POLITICS?

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Roughsoul1991

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If we follow the Bible then yes we must be involved with ALL parts of culture in trying to be both salt and light.
 
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I have chosen to be a part of a kingdom that is ruled by the King of Kings. The citizens of this kingdom are not tied to one geographic location, but are scattered throughout the kingdoms of this world. These are salt and light and are ambassadors of the heavenly kingdom. The laws and rules that I follow are those of my King. Yes, I will also obey the laws of the earthly kingdom that I live in (but only when those laws do not conflict with the Divine law).

So, I do not participate in the politics of this earthly kingdom. And as such I will not go to war (when an earthly King asks) and kill heavenly citizens that live in another geographic location.
I like your testamony. I face the issues with Christ. Christ said," If someone has the faith of a grain of mustard seed, he could command a mountain to be plucked up and cast into the sea and it would obey". In this way we can deal with all things.
 
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If we follow the Bible then yes we must be involved with ALL parts of culture in trying to be both salt and light.
Yes, six days you shall WORK, and guess what that work was? Go out and gather daily bread of manna, everybody, men and women, young and old. None of it appeared in their tent, they had to go out to gather it in the wilderness, and on Friday before sabbath they had to gather double portion. They did that for FORTY freaking years! So as you can see, that work means secular work, including but not limited to paid work at your job, anything you do to make a living.
 
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Trump was an immature Christian. I wish people could stand back from the trees and look at the forest! And stop being brainwashed by the media, etc.
Compare what was happening with Trump with what is happening today.
Putin is flying nuclear bombers around the edges of Ukraine and we want to shoot them down! The pandemic is not Covid, it's stupidity!
Mass formation stupidity!
Trump was not a saint, but he bought four years for Christians and the GOP to repent and reform, he was like one of those good kings of ancient Judah after Jehoboam. That was the only and the last opportunity to make America great again. However that opportunity was not taken, nobody saw the writing on the wall in the midst of the disasters in 2020, therefore we've got this doddering fool as God's judgement.
 
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Trump was not a saint, but he bought four years for Christians and the GOP to repent and reform, he was like one of those good kings of ancient Judah after Jehoboam. That was the only and the last opportunity to make America great again. However that opportunity was not taken, nobody saw the writing on the wall in the midst of the disasters in 2020, therefore we've got this doddering fool as God's judgement.
I watched all day long from June, 2016 until sometime in November, 2020. After I saw that the right-wing media was all talk, along with the shock of Trump not getting back in (I knew exactly what it meant and what was going to happen), I had to disconnect from the whole thing. It was just too stressful to watch.
He does as He pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. He is nobody's fool! We had our chance, I'm afraid to say!
 
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Seems about evenly split. We are told to pray for those who are in authority over us. I am sure the quick retort would be that Jesus is over us, so does He need our prayers? You have a choice. Vote because believe it or not, saying everyone is evil and you won't vote for the lessor evil, means you really do not have the right to complain. You took no action. Imagine if parents had not found out what their children were being taught regarding CRT, BLM and sex at five years of age and being told they don't have to be the sex they were born with.

Imagine if no one ever questioned abortion or murder or rape or theft? They are not the same you say? Well then dig down in your basement and hope for the best because God is not going to force you to do a thing. Just don't ask Him why later on if you refuse any involvement in the world you live in.

Do I like politics? No. Cannot stand them. All men are liars just like God states and women are pretty good at it too. We have an entire country being savaged and destroyed while the rest of the 'free' world says they cannot be involved because they don't want to escalate the situation.

2 Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence. 3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, I Tim. 2: 1-3

It is good and acceptable to be involved. Stand by and do nothing and when it knocks on your door? Well just let them in because Jesus is your King. I think the same thing goes on in many if not most churches. A one hour sermon and then football or some other sport in the afternoon. It's not your responsibility. After all, what about the Pastor. Aren't we paying him?
The worldly political system is dead. When people can"t get what they want, they go to war. People die. It is happening in Ukraine now. Putin wants to stop the far left. He sees war as the only way to do that. People die. Saints can always deal with every issue. We just have to do that in the way Christ has told us to do. Learn the commands of Christ and you can rule the world with him.

The pandemic did not start by accident. A saint prayed and prayed, asking God to shut down the meetings of false teachers. Many of their meetings were shut down! Yet, how many of them repented? I think there has been some repenting going on. People realized that they were not in control. Repentance is good
 

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The leftists in my town despise me for calling them out on their perversions. Unfortunately I’m not nice about it either because they’ve proven themselves to only understand unapologetic strength from their adversaries.
 

Evmur

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Please consider and pray about the question presented in this topic.

Then answer the question in good faith and with a good conscience.

I distance myself from politics. I am not registered to vote. Jesus is Lord and he rules over all at all times. All people should serve him.

Politics is just another cause for division and it diverts many from the truth.

Can you stay away from politics and point others to the Christ who is the one in charge?
a right not an obligation ...
 

ResidentAlien

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No. Jesus himself never shied away from politics. The circumstances surrounding His execution on the cross were very political.
He never shied away but He never got involved either. It was the Jewish religious leaders who made it political. The coming of the Son was a spiritual event from start to finish. If some saw it as political, well, they didn't understand.

When He comes again it will be political.
 
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The worldly political system is dead. When people can"t get what they want, they go to war. People die. It is happening in Ukraine now. Putin wants to stop the far left. He sees war as the only way to do that. People die. Saints can always deal with every issue. We just have to do that in the way Christ has told us to do. Learn the commands of Christ and you can rule the world with him.

The pandemic did not start by accident. A saint prayed and prayed, asking God to shut down the meetings of false teachers. Many of their meetings were shut down! Yet, how many of them repented? I think there has been some repenting going on. People realized that they were not in control. Repentance is good
I don't wish or want to rule the world. Of course the plandemic did not start by accident. It was created in a lab with the help of US money.

I have bad news for you. The internet is chock full to bursting with false teachers and churches have opened back up. You might ask yourself if God sent aids to stop false teachers. That would make about as much sense as what you think happened. False teachers have been around for thousands of years and there would not be any if there were not so many people with itching ears.

I know the commands of Christ. Frankly, I cannot make much sense out of your post and sorry about that, but you seem to have something specific in mind and because you have not actually said it, you are all over the place. I disagree with what you are saying.

The world political system is just kicking in and what we have seen so far, is only practice for what is to come. I don't know if you will answer this or not, but are you involved in the New Apostolic Reformation and believe that the 'Sons of God' are to be revealed and that will bring Jesus back?

You seem to have hinted at it, but I could be wrong.
 
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I don't wish or want to rule the world. Of course the plandemic did not start by accident. It was created in a lab with the help of US money.

I have bad news for you. The internet is chock full to bursting with false teachers and churches have opened back up. You might ask yourself if God sent aids to stop false teachers. That would make about as much sense as what you think happened. False teachers have been around for thousands of years and there would not be any if there were not so many people with itching ears.

I know the commands of Christ. Frankly, I cannot make much sense out of your post and sorry about that, but you seem to have something specific in mind and because you have not actually said it, you are all over the place. I disagree with what you are saying.

The world political system is just kicking in and what we have seen so far, is only practice for what is to come. I don't know if you will answer this or not, but are you involved in the New Apostolic Reformation and believe that the 'Sons of God' are to be revealed and that will bring Jesus back?

You seem to have hinted at it, but I could be wrong.
I only just heard of the new apostalic reformation. I know nothing about it. I follow the Lord Jesus. Sorry if that disappoints you. I am a real saint and put no trust in denominations or movements. Sorry, but I am not a part of the freak show.
 
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I only just heard of the new apostalic reformation. I know nothing about it. I follow the Lord Jesus. Sorry if that disappoints you. I am a real saint and put no trust in denominations or movements. Sorry, but I am not a part of the freak show.
Do you read minds? No? Then kindly do not tell me what you think disappoints me.

Yet you do have some thoughts similar to what the 'freak' (your words) profess. Most people here will tell you that they follow Christ. You are not alone.
 
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The New Apostolic Reformation supports a theology called "Christian dominionism". Basically, the idea is that Christian believers should have positions of influence in politics, the media, the arts, the sciences and everything that influences the culture. That is part of being the salt of the earth and the light of the world, as Christ called the Church to be, and praying and working for His Kingdom to come.

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On what he means when he describes the NAR's mission as taking dominion over business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, family and religion

"In terms of taking dominion, we don't — we wouldn't want to — we use the word dominion, but we wouldn't want to say that we have dominion as if we're the owners or we're the rulers of, let's say, the arts and entertainment mountain. What we strive to do and our goal is to have people in the arts and entertainment mountain who are committed to the kingdom of God, so therefore, we use the adjective there — kingdom-minded believers — and our goal is to try to have as many kingdom-minded believers in positions of influence in the arts and entertainment mountain as possible. And the reason for that is, to help bring the blessings of heaven to all those in the arts and entertainment mountain."

On dominionism and acquiring leadership positions in government

"We believe in working with any — with whatever political system there is. In America, it's democracy and working with the administrative, judicial and legislative branches of the government, the way they are, but to have as many kingdom-minded people in influence in each one of these branches of government as possible so that the blessings of the kingdom will come."

From: https://www.npr.org/2011/10/03/140946482/apostolic-leader-weighs-religions-role-in-politics
 
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"Dominion theology (also known as dominionism) is a group of Christian political ideologies that seek to institute a nation which is governed by Christians and based on their understandings of biblical law. Extents of rule and ways of acquiring governing authority are varied. For example, dominion theology can include theonomy, but it does not necessarily involve advocacy of adherence to the Mosaic Law as the basis of government. The label is primarily applied to groups of Christians in the United States.

Prominent adherents of these ideologies are Calvinist Christian reconstructionism, Roman Catholic integralism, Charismatic and Pentecostal Kingdom Now theology, the New Apostolic Reformation, and perhaps there are others which are not listed here.[1][2] Most of the contemporary movements labeled dominion theology arose in the 1970s from religious movements asserting aspects of Christian nationalism." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_theology
 
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The New Apostolic Reformation supports a theology called "Christian dominionism". Basically, the idea is that Christian believers should have positions of influence in politics, the media, the arts, the sciences and everything that influences the culture. That is part of being the salt of the earth and the light of the world, as Christ called the Church to be, and praying and working for His Kingdom to come.

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On what he means when he describes the NAR's mission as taking dominion over business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, family and religion

"In terms of taking dominion, we don't — we wouldn't want to — we use the word dominion, but we wouldn't want to say that we have dominion as if we're the owners or we're the rulers of, let's say, the arts and entertainment mountain. What we strive to do and our goal is to have people in the arts and entertainment mountain who are committed to the kingdom of God, so therefore, we use the adjective there — kingdom-minded believers — and our goal is to try to have as many kingdom-minded believers in positions of influence in the arts and entertainment mountain as possible. And the reason for that is, to help bring the blessings of heaven to all those in the arts and entertainment mountain."

On dominionism and acquiring leadership positions in government

"We believe in working with any — with whatever political system there is. In America, it's democracy and working with the administrative, judicial and legislative branches of the government, the way they are, but to have as many kingdom-minded people in influence in each one of these branches of government as possible so that the blessings of the kingdom will come."

From: https://www.npr.org/2011/10/03/140946482/apostolic-leader-weighs-religions-role-in-politics
From what I've heard about it, I would've thought that Nar sacrificed babies! It's probably just another move of God that's condemned by older moves of God. "If God's not doing it with us and doing it our way, then it must be the devil!" SMH
 

Roughsoul1991

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I don't think that's even humanly possible:censored:
Maybe within human limits on energy but not on limits within God's spectrum of good works prepared for us to do. Basically the list of good works is made for the Church and not just the individual. Ain't no way we can be part of every ministry but we all can be part of where we are called. One may be called to promote religious freedom in politics while another to reap the benefits of religious freedom in creating a ministry. Working together but not against.
 

Lanolin

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mm

if you are a politican you have to please ppl to get elected and also be in league with mammon (cos campaigns DO cost money)

and these things wont necessarily be compatible with serving the Lord so...at some point you do have to choose as you cant serve two masters

Pilate did wash his hands over executing Jesus but it was all in his power to do so... he was swayed by public opinion

most of the christian politicians Ive observed have become corrupted as time went on and revealed to be self serving so Im very wary when politicans claim they are christian and doing evrything to serve everyone.
 

ResidentAlien

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The New Apostolic Reformation supports a theology called "Christian dominionism". Basically, the idea is that Christian believers should have positions of influence in politics, the media, the arts, the sciences and everything that influences the culture. That is part of being the salt of the earth and the light of the world, as Christ called the Church to be, and praying and working for His Kingdom to come.

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On what he means when he describes the NAR's mission as taking dominion over business, government, media, arts and entertainment, education, family and religion

"In terms of taking dominion, we don't — we wouldn't want to — we use the word dominion, but we wouldn't want to say that we have dominion as if we're the owners or we're the rulers of, let's say, the arts and entertainment mountain. What we strive to do and our goal is to have people in the arts and entertainment mountain who are committed to the kingdom of God, so therefore, we use the adjective there — kingdom-minded believers — and our goal is to try to have as many kingdom-minded believers in positions of influence in the arts and entertainment mountain as possible. And the reason for that is, to help bring the blessings of heaven to all those in the arts and entertainment mountain."

On dominionism and acquiring leadership positions in government

"We believe in working with any — with whatever political system there is. In America, it's democracy and working with the administrative, judicial and legislative branches of the government, the way they are, but to have as many kingdom-minded people in influence in each one of these branches of government as possible so that the blessings of the kingdom will come."

From: https://www.npr.org/2011/10/03/140946482/apostolic-leader-weighs-religions-role-in-politics
Apparently this comes from an interview with C. Peter Wagner, the founder of the NAR and an adept deceiver.

He says he wouldn't want to use the word dominion; however, in the same breath he says ". . .our goal is to try to have as many kingdom-minded believers in positions of influence in the arts and entertainment mountain as possible." If they don't want to take over, what's the point of having "as many kingdom minded people as possible in positions of influence?" Why not just have as many as necessary to exert a Godly influence?

Wagner also doesn't mention that part of the plan is to make sure there are "workplace apostles" in key positions. These perform oversight and do battle with evil "territorial spirits" that prevent them from accomplishing their goal (that is, taking over).

Others like Johnny Enlow call for workplace apostles to be sure not to use the title apostle because of the unnecessary "baggage" that goes along with it today (Enlow, The Seven Mountain Prophecy: Unveiling the Coming Elijah Revolution). If their plans are so benevolent, and they're sincere in what they're doing, why the subterfuge?

If the plan was to simply exert a Godly influence on the 7 Mountains of worldly power that would be one thing; but the NAR believes every pastor and every church in the world today should be under the supervision and authority of an NAR apostle. That's the goal; that's the objective.
 

Chester

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Would you defend your family against and intruder? your neighbour, your block, town, Our kings tells us there is no greater love then to lay down ones life for another ,,
Jesus did not lay down his life by attempting to kill others.