Is the first resurrection divided into two groups?

“AGREE - We will be RAISED with IMMORTAL Bodies made into HIS Glorious Body = at His Second Coming only”

no I see this part differently but it’s okay lol I’m okay with not agreeing on this subject

no worries brother

i am lost in this thread

i am lost in this thread

That’s one way to look at it.

However, how does one account for Revelation 20’s account of the devil being released from prison after the 1,000 years are finished, assembling an army from nations all around the word, called God and Magog, to come against the encampment of the saints if after the 1,000 year MK there is a resurrection of unbelievers? A world of unbelievers are still alive who are not in that resurrection.

Sure looks like the state of the world is still in a fallen state with a relatively small enclave of saints confined to an encampment. The saints look like they are severely outnumbered with their only defense being God Himself sending fire down to exterminate the enemies of the saints.

So what if the resurrection after the MK are the souls of the rest of the dead in Christ instead? That eliminates the problem of there needing to be a GWTJ of unbelievers immediately after the 1,000 MK resurrection.

So from my perspective it really looks like the first resurrection is still two groups. Actually all the hard questions everyone has asked me has forced me to look harder, pray more, and now I feel more certain than when I first wrote the OP.

i am lost in this thread

You have me laughing in AGREEMENT with you since we both AGREE on the very same Scripture.
This is good friendly laughter because we know each other and love each other - good healthy banter.

You said: "we bear the natural Mans image on earth in this present life the natural man dies like Adam. What is raised up is a spiritual body meant to live in the spiritual realm of God with angels and the spirits of just Men made perfect through Christ."

AGREE 100%

Make sure we meet in out Glorified Bodies - Amen

i am lost in this thread

haha me too I’m always partly lost so don’t feel Too Out of place

discussions sometimes go to unexpected places where some aren’t willing to go or don’t find it useful to go but it’s just the nature of discussion of some of the deeper and more mysterious parts of scripture
Nothing essential in my opinion

“And he who is not filled with the Holy Spirit is doomed to be filled with some other spirit from the devil.”

yeah the Holy Ghost is a free gift when we hear and believe the word

“And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead. To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

…Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:42-44, 46-48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

or on the opposite order either way it’s a freely given gift to believers who hear the word

“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2:38‬ ‭

so really any believer has received the Holy Ghost it’s a gift given by Jesus to those who hear and believe the gospel.

I think the confusion comes when we think receiving the Holy Ghost means we now don’t need to hear the word and receive the faith of Christ , by which we are saved.

“That's the seeds fell on the wayside and snatched by the birds.”

amen the word of the gospel is what brings the Holy Ghost hearing and believing offers the gift freely to all

“When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭13:19‬ ‭

it’s the beginning for us and not the end

For sure brothers can disagree at times what makes them brothers is they don’t make it bitter they love each other even in strife .

haha yeah sometimes it just takes time before we see what we’re saying both ways.

to simplify

My belief is there are two resurrections what I’m seeing is through this prism as I look at all of scripture

Those included in the present or first resurrection beginning just after Christ rose and lasting until even now

“Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5:24‬ ‭KJV‬‬

those in the last resurrection

“He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.”
‭‭John‬ ‭12:48‬ ‭KJV‬‬

These folks not all are damned some are written on the book of life , they just never accepted the word in life and came to repentance fully so they are raised up here ( the dead or sleeping in Christ ) along with all the dead

“And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭20:12-15‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Some are alive in Christ and never die by his word , they accept the judgement now in this life and repent . others die in Christ and will be raised in the last day by his word.

but it’s only my own opinion it’s not me trying to create any doctrine or anything and not saying I’m right and anyone else is wrong

I see both resurrections in John 5 one present one at the end

OK, i will dwell on it - always enjoy our fellowship

Man, I hate the term "Holy Ghost", definitely the worst translation of the entire KJV. Everytime I spot it I frown at it. Ghost is universally associated with dead people - even in the historical context of the bible itself. When Jesus appeared to His disciples in His resurrected body, doubting Thomas thought he was seeing things. And what things did he see? A Holy Ghost. In other words, a hullucination of a dead Jesus instead of the new body of a risen Jesus. KJV is true and faithful in every other way except this. It gives you the wrong impression that dead people's "ghosts" are out and about, seeking to reincarnate in new bodies. That's the core belief in Eastern mysticism, not Christianity.

It's a monumental undertaking to understand the ways of God, whose understanding and ways are so much above our understanding. I see it as the desire to draw close though.

yeah it doesn’t bother me honestly.
I don’t see it anything like what your describing there. I try to not worry about how the world associates terms and just take how the Bible does.

but we all Most likely have terms we don’t like so it’s understandable.

I suppose to Him it is like watching an infants trying to feed themselves, its really messy but He doesn't stop providing us food.

All words and terms have connotations. When words are controlled, minds are controlled. That's why communists are so dedicated at corrupting language by redefining words. In this case, it's not how the world associates term, but the bible itself. In many instances in the OT it was accurately translated as "Spirit", such as "the Spirit of God was hovering above the waters," "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever," "I will pour out My Spirit on all flesh", but somehow when it comes to the third aspect of the godhead (or third person of the trinity), it became "Holy Ghost".

Yes, we all know that bible shall not be interpreted literally, phrases like "add one cubit to his statue", "through the eye of a needle", even "no one knows the day or the hour" are all cultural references that point to specific things which everyone was familiar with at the time, but they don't have much negative connotation, it's easy to figure out the true meaning - "add one day in your lifetime", "through a narrow stone gate" and "Feast of Trumpets on the sighting of new moon". "Holy Ghost", on the other hand, has completely butchered the definition of this life-giving power, and left with a huge legacy in bible theology and the English language. It's just my rambling, hope you don't mind.

CORRECT: the time of the Gentiles is speaking of the Gentile Kingdoms from Daniel, Head of Gold etc.
Paul is not speaking of a Gentile church in Romans and anyone who says such a thing is teaching false doctrine, which the heresy of pre-trib teaches in order to establish their Big Lie.

Store this deep inside your heart = "What God has joined together let no man separate"

When we get to Romans 11, there is something special in this chapter - find it.

Unfortunately most Jews are not joined together with Christ, they're still waiting for their own Elijah and messiah, so it's more like "What man has separated, let God joined together."